"Why do you NEED a silencer?"

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I do dearly love AAC products... still have an Evo45 and a 762SD on the way! :D
 
My ears are perfect, and it would make a lot of sense to keep it that way. Silencers are clearly a smart way to go, less people to complain from range noise, easier on the shooters ears, also easier on the ears of fellow shooters next to him. We all know how loud it can get with 5-10 people shooting on the line.
 
Silencers

I don't have one but think they are a good idea for hearing protection. I especially think they would be good in indoor ranges. I've been at ranges with 2 layers (foam plugs in ears with muffs on top) and still the noise was loud.
 
Crunker1337

Yeah, here's how it went...

Home -> dealer -> range -> petrol (didn't think to refuel earlier!) -> home. :D
 
It would certainly help to save the hearing of a large number of shooters. If it was not so much hassle, I would be using a suppressor. I would also be using standard hearing protection
 
Thernlund

Most of us here at THR understand that, but the general public doesn't. That's why I made this video publicly available... I WANT it to be distributed and shown to many people, so that silencers can be seen as what they truly are - hearing protection.
 
Great vid. I recently got a .22lr can and want more (probably a .223 next). I now understand why they tend to multiply. The PLR is a great demo platform. Mine boarders on obnoxious.
I couldn't help but cringe a little when you were putting it on with the mag in and one in the pipe, but it did look like the safety was on :)
We do need to change public opinion to counter the decades of damage hollywood has done to the reputation of suppressors.
 
PTK said:
Most of us here at THR understand that, but the general public doesn't. That's why I made this video publicly available... I WANT it to be distributed and shown to many people, so that silencers can be seen as what they truly are - hearing protection.
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Oh I know. Although it may have appeared so, my comment wasn't pointed at you. I did read your post. I was just throwing out the obvious answer for anyone listening. ;)


-T.
 
don't get me wrong, i would love for everyone to have a suppressor, but i'm not really on the suppressor bandwagon as much as i used to be.

that said, i've got 5 (KAC, KAC, Smith/Fisher Enterprise, AWC, YHM) and thinking about picking up either a gemtech or ops inc. (in fact, I called ops today but no one ever answered the phone :( )

still, i recognize the safety benefits, but they're somewhat mitigated imho.

a) there are a lot of retards running around who think that just because your 223/308 is only as loud as a 22lr, that you no longer need to wear hearing protection. they do a lot more damage to their hearing that way than if they had just worn ear plugs.

b) it's easier to wear ear plugs than a respirator, which is what you need with a lot of rifle/suppressor combos

beyond safety, they make the gun run a LOT hotter, can cause issues in gas-operated guns, and can be a real PITA to remove when carbon cements them into place. speaking of carbon, the fouling is out of control.

i see two main reasons to run a suppressor.

1. because the gov't doesn't like it
2. for the sake of OTHER people's hearing (or especially for pets like a hunting dog)
 
When people ask me that, I rip off their ear muffs and hold the gun close to their ear and dump a mag. That usually gets their attention. Can ya hear me now? Didn't think so.
 
I couldn't help but cringe a little when you were putting it on with the mag in and one in the pipe, but it did look like the safety was on
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Note how I put the silencer on (and yes, safety on). ;)
 
Because as a good person I feel it is incumbent upon me to adhere to federally mandated OSHA guidelines on sound abatement.....It's for the children......:evil:
 
Because we have something called the bill of rights, not the bill of needs.
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that is a poor arguement, as a supressor(scilencer) is not a firearm are and there fore not guarented by the bill of rights. It is simply regulated because it can be. There is no real threat or excessive danger of them other than fear. Basically their regulation was done IMO for money.
 
I have a couple of (probably dumb) questions. Prior to watching that video, I've only ever even seen one suppressor, and had never actually heard how well they attenuate the noise, so I'd never considered one.
Is the $200 tax applied to each supressor or does it allow you to buy/own more than one?
Is the tax a one-time cost for the unit or does it have to be renewed annually?
Does the supressor, (assuming that it fills with carbon/junk over time) have a limited life or can it be cleaned?
Thanks.
 
all the ones I have seen can be cleaned you need to pay the $200 tax 1 time per item. Some supressors can be tough to clean like permanately attached units. Also if you have a SBR and buy a supressor then you have to pay 2 seperate $200 taxes but if you buy a sbr with a permanately attached supressor its just 1 $200 tax.
 
that is a poor arguement, as a supressor(scilencer) is not a firearm are and there fore not guarented by the bill of rights.
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Two things wrong here. First, the BOR doesn't guarantee any rights, it says what rights the government cannot infringe upon.

Second, a suppressor is most definitely a firearm. Both the GCA and NFA say it is.
From the GCA as codified in 18 USC §921(a)(3)(C):

(3) The term “firearm” means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
(D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

From the NFA as codified in 26 USC §5845(a)(7), note the reference to the GCA in 18 USC §921.

(a) Firearm The term “firearm” means
(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);
(6) a machinegun;
(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and
(8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.

18 USC §921(a)(24)

(24) The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

27 CFR §478.124

(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.
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Eric F said:
that is a poor arguement, as a supressor(scilencer) is not a firearm are and there fore not guarented by the bill of rights. It is simply regulated because it can be. There is no real threat or excessive danger of them other than fear. Basically their regulation was done IMO for money.
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Well according to the NFA yes it is a firearm. :D
The regulation was not for the piddling sum the revenue brings in, it was solely meant as a deterent.
 
The US Fish and Wildlife Dept. was the pusher for getting suppressors on the list. When the NFA bill was drafted, the country was deep in depression. They feared people would use them for poaching, hence their regulation and high (for that time period) transfer and making tax.
 
Why do SWAT teams 'need' suppressors? Why are they legal for law enforcement? Do libs/hoplophobes believe our police are death squads? So there must be a legitimate use for them, right? Personally, I do it for the children. I never know if their young, developing ears are properly sealed by plugs and muffs are built over-sized for adult ears. A suppressor takes away a lot of blast and fear making it so I can instruct without looking like I am yelling.

Finally, do most criminals think they will get caught? Not likely. That's why even though a suppressor effective enough for crimes is cheap and easy to implement, you very rarely hear of criminals using these items. It's the same thing with destructive devices. I can't even remember the last time someone used a Molotov which about the simplest improvised DD. Against common structures they are extremely effective, more so than even HE blast.

Liberals so lack self control that they project their inner rage onto others, but when you look at sinple technology such as suppressors and molotovs, it is empirically obvious that criminals who aren't afraid of breaking laws, and don't think they will get caught could be using these improvised items if they had common criminal utility.

The legal and postive uses of explosives and suppressors far outweigh the occasional criminal misuse.
 
Well I guess I stand corrected, I did not see that before, I had years ago read a document from the ATF that said a supressor was not a firearm but it was regulated by NFA. I guess they were refering to it is not a firearm as in with sights trigger and hammer, however it is clearly defined as a firearm by NFA.........stupid IMO kinda like saying a muffler is a car as defined by some goofy DOT doccument.
 
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