Why does Ruger not go ahead and make a M-14
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Grunt
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Actually I didn't compare Ruger to the Nazis but to the Judenrats that collaborated with them. Some folks like Rosie O'Donnel, Sarah Brady, etc. could be compared to Hitler (Rosie herself admitted she would like to see all gun owners imprisoned for their beliefs) but when it comes to one of your own, quizlings like Bill Ruger Sr. can accurately be compared to Judenrates, Benidict Arnold, Judas, and John Walker Lindh.
There was literature out, patches out fo the XGI, but there was no guns as posted they could not get reasonable accuracy......Hell, I have owned 4 mini's over the the years and well they were Bill Ruger's most expensive plinker......
cracked butt
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Business from me the company is not going to get.
I'll save my money for companies like Bushmaster, Rockriver, DPMS, et al who unabashedly make EBRs for the masses. I'll give my business to Armalite who offered free 'evil' upgrades to customers at the expiration of the AWB. I'll stand behind Barrett who refuses to make sales or to service rifles to law enforcement/government in states where his rifles are banned to the citizens.
That's capitalism for ya.
Grunt
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No, that's standing up for your beliefs!
Glockfan.45
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I had no idea Armalite did that
. Now theres a company I would glady do businees with. I hope they follow Barretts example and stop selling/servicing their rifles for gorvernment types in Illinois if an Illinois AWB passes. The ISP currently issue Armalites.
There are dealers who are quietly selling Ruger Mini-14 factory 20-round mags to the public. I do not know if this meets with the company's approval or not, so I won't name names, and the mags are not inexpensive, of course, but they are available.
Bill Ruger, love him or hate him, had a genius for producing good guns at a reasonable cost. Go out and price most Ruger Guns compared to their competition. Not everyone can afford 'the best', and there is a huge and ready market for the 'good enough'. Ruger is one of the largest gun makers, there's no denying, so they must be doing something right.
As for his politics, I don't care for them. But if you you do some checking, you'll find many gun companies have 'made a deal with the devil'. Remember Smith and Wesson? Colt stopped making the Mustang and other pocket pistols as a SOP to Connecticut (no more Saturday Night Specials). HK stopped selling 'assasult rifles' in the US.
Ruger didn't make the XGI because they couldn't do it with the performance they wanted at the price point they wanted. It happens at companies all the time.
As for his politics, I don't care for them. But if you you do some checking, you'll find many gun companies have 'made a deal with the devil'. Remember Smith and Wesson? Colt stopped making the Mustang and other pocket pistols as a SOP to Connecticut (no more Saturday Night Specials). HK stopped selling 'assasult rifles' in the US.
Ruger didn't make the XGI because they couldn't do it with the performance they wanted at the price point they wanted. It happens at companies all the time.
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I was thinking along the lines of an M14/mini 14 type red label semi in .30-06 or .308 to compete with something like Brownings BAR. I understand it would not be cheap, but there are some of us that understand that a nice looking and performing gun is worth the money. I love the feel of a Ruger #1 but I'm not a fan of the single shot, it just doesn't have much SHTF capability like most hunting rifles do.
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I hate being OT like everyone else, but...
But it's more than that. S&W has since changed owners and does not make judgments on what individuals should own, AFAIK. Ruger has only changed owners.
Ohio Rifleman
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I hereby invoke Godwin's Law on post #41.
And Bill Ruger is DEAD. Get over it.
And Bill Ruger is DEAD. Get over it.
Limeyfellow
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+1 There is simply just not enough of a market to afford mass production on such a level that the price comes down that significantly. Despite the views on some forums the M14 clones are hardly the biggest sellers in the world.
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During the early 80's there was a SHot SHow in Atlanta GA. There Ruger displayed the XGI. I handled both guns that were on display. THey had a magazine that looked amazing like a truncated M-14 magazine that IIRC held only five rounds. I got to remove the magazine and work the action and dry fire one of the rifles. and they pulled one apart for me into major groups. It was an over sized Mini-14. The trigger group looked AMAZINGLY like that of an M-14.
When I asked about high capacity magazines I got frowns and was told the XGI was a sporting rifle.
SO I strolled down to the SA booth and spoke to them about my failed attempt to purchase an M-1A in 1975. I was in the US Army in Europe and I had my local US ROd and Gun CLub order me one with the full price on deposite....$329 and change was pretty much a Speedy Four's monthly pay at the time. German customs seized the rifle as a weapon of war and neglected to inform either SA or the US ROd and Gun CLub it had been seized . Eventually we found out were it was and it was returned to SA....who found the rifle dinged and rusted from the wonderful care the Grenz Polizi had given it.
Anyway back to the XGI....after getting grins a giggles from SA I told them about the Ruger and my suspisions on the magazine. Naturally this interested them as Ruger might be competition as there was nothing like todays internet to share opinions on and many folks may have bought a Mini-.308 to save a buck or two on an M-1 A expecting like performance.
I talked them into letting me slip an M-14 magazine in my hip pocket and stroll back to the Ruger booth with a couple of SA folks casually walking along behind looking at other exhibits. WHen a different greeter was on the XGIs Iwalked over and asked to see one and while the greeter was talking to someone about another product dropped the XGI mag out and replaced it with the M-14 one and did a function check. It fit and locked the bolt back when the rifle was cycled. I compared the appearence of the feed lips of the magaziens and they apeared exactly alike.
The Springfield folks were delighted as appearently they had bet another member of their group the XGI would use M-14 magazine and he had bet against them.
WHen the NRA convention was in Orlando a few years back I had the chance to talk to a ruger rep again at their exhibit. I asked about the XGI and he allowed as how there were accuracy issues and ammo sensitivity in that the 7.62 x51 and .308 ammo types on the market varied wildy in powder speeds and pressures and that Mini 14 gas system could make the operating rod move a bit faster and more abruptly than it should. That should sound familure to M-1 Grand shooters. He said it just could notbe made to work at a price that could compete with other such rifles. Nice guy and he suggested I send my ancient RST-4 (Mark I was the target model of those not the series name!) in for a rebuild and refinish. I didn't because I love every ding, stain, and scratch on it.
-Bob Hollingworth
When I asked about high capacity magazines I got frowns and was told the XGI was a sporting rifle.
SO I strolled down to the SA booth and spoke to them about my failed attempt to purchase an M-1A in 1975. I was in the US Army in Europe and I had my local US ROd and Gun CLub order me one with the full price on deposite....$329 and change was pretty much a Speedy Four's monthly pay at the time. German customs seized the rifle as a weapon of war and neglected to inform either SA or the US ROd and Gun CLub it had been seized . Eventually we found out were it was and it was returned to SA....who found the rifle dinged and rusted from the wonderful care the Grenz Polizi had given it.
Anyway back to the XGI....after getting grins a giggles from SA I told them about the Ruger and my suspisions on the magazine. Naturally this interested them as Ruger might be competition as there was nothing like todays internet to share opinions on and many folks may have bought a Mini-.308 to save a buck or two on an M-1 A expecting like performance.
I talked them into letting me slip an M-14 magazine in my hip pocket and stroll back to the Ruger booth with a couple of SA folks casually walking along behind looking at other exhibits. WHen a different greeter was on the XGIs Iwalked over and asked to see one and while the greeter was talking to someone about another product dropped the XGI mag out and replaced it with the M-14 one and did a function check. It fit and locked the bolt back when the rifle was cycled. I compared the appearence of the feed lips of the magaziens and they apeared exactly alike.
The Springfield folks were delighted as appearently they had bet another member of their group the XGI would use M-14 magazine and he had bet against them.
WHen the NRA convention was in Orlando a few years back I had the chance to talk to a ruger rep again at their exhibit. I asked about the XGI and he allowed as how there were accuracy issues and ammo sensitivity in that the 7.62 x51 and .308 ammo types on the market varied wildy in powder speeds and pressures and that Mini 14 gas system could make the operating rod move a bit faster and more abruptly than it should. That should sound familure to M-1 Grand shooters. He said it just could notbe made to work at a price that could compete with other such rifles. Nice guy and he suggested I send my ancient RST-4 (Mark I was the target model of those not the series name!) in for a rebuild and refinish. I didn't because I love every ding, stain, and scratch on it.
-Bob Hollingworth
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