Why I don't trust a Glock
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buddyemily
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Sounds like the operator is to blame. The glock did exactly as designed.
"Neither of the Glocks I had were reliable, even after spending months at the factory."
Now we know honesty is PERHAPS slipping from our discussion. Rebuilding a Glock takes minutes for an experienced armorer. I find it very hard to believe a Glock spent "months" at any factory. Do you really want to stand by that statement, Mr Paul? The more you talk the more trouble you get in.
Now we know honesty is PERHAPS slipping from our discussion. Rebuilding a Glock takes minutes for an experienced armorer. I find it very hard to believe a Glock spent "months" at any factory. Do you really want to stand by that statement, Mr Paul? The more you talk the more trouble you get in.
I think the use of the phrase "don't trust" is not really appropriate in this context. I would certainly "trust" a Glock to go bang every time the trigger is depressed, whether intentionally or unintentionally. The question is whether you want a switch/lever on the gun that toggles the gun between "safe" (as safe as a loaded gun can ever be, anyway) and "ready to fire." I think it is fairly self-evident that having an additional step that must be taken before the gun will go off will reduce the number of AD's/ND's.
Without some operator error, you won't have an AD/ND in a non-defective Glock. But there has never yet been a system with human input that does not have an error rate. Never. Doctors go to school for years to learn how to safely and effectively care for patients. But sometimes mistakes are made. That's why hospitals try to implement procedures that are backstops against mistakes. The same is true for professional pilots. They are generally highly-competent, highly-trained individuals... far more so than 99% of civilian handgun owners. But they have procedures, mechanical systems, electronic systems, and other mechanisms designed to overcome the occassional (and inevitable) errors, and to require multiple errors before an accident occurs.
So, the question is, do you want one additional layer of safety before an error becomes an accident? Everyone has to make up their own mind, but I'll take the extra layer. I'm very safety-conscious, but I'm a human being. Even though I've personally never made a mistake yet
, the data from the rest of humanity says I am likely to make one sometime. If that occassion happens to be while I'm handling a gun, I'd like to have to make several mistakes for that error to be the worst moment of my life.
Without some operator error, you won't have an AD/ND in a non-defective Glock. But there has never yet been a system with human input that does not have an error rate. Never. Doctors go to school for years to learn how to safely and effectively care for patients. But sometimes mistakes are made. That's why hospitals try to implement procedures that are backstops against mistakes. The same is true for professional pilots. They are generally highly-competent, highly-trained individuals... far more so than 99% of civilian handgun owners. But they have procedures, mechanical systems, electronic systems, and other mechanisms designed to overcome the occassional (and inevitable) errors, and to require multiple errors before an accident occurs.
So, the question is, do you want one additional layer of safety before an error becomes an accident? Everyone has to make up their own mind, but I'll take the extra layer. I'm very safety-conscious, but I'm a human being. Even though I've personally never made a mistake yet
, the data from the rest of humanity says I am likely to make one sometime. If that occassion happens to be while I'm handling a gun, I'd like to have to make several mistakes for that error to be the worst moment of my life.RatherNotSay
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Maybe they just realized the gun was going into the hands of a person who couldn't handle such a simple weapon and figured he would just give up
Yes ATL, that's why I unload my Glock, lock it in a case, then lock that case in a safe, throw the safe in a river and lose the key and the combination. I then pray for an icy winter.
Will this ever end? ATL do you advocate another manual lock system on double action revolvers? Just answer the question. Please. On second thought, never mind.
You might be happy to know that I've even fitted my Glock with a little arrow on the slide that points in the direction the barrel opens. That way I can't get confused about which way it is pointing. I wouldn't be surprised that many good and thoughtful folks who commited suicide and shot themselves in the face did so thinking they were shooting downrange and just got their directions mixed up. You can never be too safe. I agree with you. One more level of safety is always a good idea. My bright red arrow will make my gun impossible for that to happen.
Will this ever end? ATL do you advocate another manual lock system on double action revolvers? Just answer the question. Please. On second thought, never mind.
You might be happy to know that I've even fitted my Glock with a little arrow on the slide that points in the direction the barrel opens. That way I can't get confused about which way it is pointing. I wouldn't be surprised that many good and thoughtful folks who commited suicide and shot themselves in the face did so thinking they were shooting downrange and just got their directions mixed up. You can never be too safe. I agree with you. One more level of safety is always a good idea. My bright red arrow will make my gun impossible for that to happen.
HoosierQ
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I think this thread goes down in history as the dumbest thread ever with so many genuinely thoughtful responses.
If you don't trust a Glock for the reason stated, you need to get out of the shooting sports altogether. All other alternatives are also designed to...here's a thought...fire! Pull the trigger, fire the gun. Forget to decock, pull the trigger, fire the gun, forget to put on safe, pull the trigger, fire the gun.
Not a Glock thing.
If you don't trust a Glock for the reason stated, you need to get out of the shooting sports altogether. All other alternatives are also designed to...here's a thought...fire! Pull the trigger, fire the gun. Forget to decock, pull the trigger, fire the gun, forget to put on safe, pull the trigger, fire the gun.
Not a Glock thing.
And I sincerely apologize for my part in contributing to the dumbness. I am now standing on my Glock, as I'm thinking it is thinking about flying around the house and attacking my family. Not here, not ever. I'm gonna trigger lock the damn thing.
FlyinBryan
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maybe a tad excessive.
i reserve the right to choose to own firearms with proven mechanical safeties that prevent ignition from inadvertant/accidental pressure on the trigger if ive been astute enough to engage such a safety, and still remain in shooting sports if thats what floats my boat.
I choose to understand the function of my gun and not operate that weapon contrary to it's function i.e. pulling the trigger while the gun is loaded and pointed in a direction I don't want the bullet to go. I choose to trust the drop safety inherent in most modern firearms. But that's just me.
OP knows his limitations. Good for him. I know lots of people that don't trust themselves with any gun. Good for them. I don't want anyone handling a firearm anywhere near me who isn't competent and comfortable with it. If only the other Plaxico's out there could realize their own limitations, then Glocks wouldn't be shooting people, unintentionally.
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