Why not the Tokarev?

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XR,
PLEASE STOP, as in NOT again, you don't own the gun, and apparently don't like the gun, but why do you keep trolling the threads about tokarevs????

They are a great pistol and wonderful piece of history, there are afew reasons not to 'customize' a tok, if you buy it under a C&R, their is a limit on what you can do, that said, it's pretty easy to log it out to yourself and do what ever you like.

As many people collect them, and a cut up custom gun... is a cut up custom gun, worth 3k to some and maybe $0.03 to another.

Finally you get people like me, I just like them they are a blast and while the grip is funky (better on the yugo) it is a soviet thing and can be traced back to JMB's early pistols like the 1900-1908. They are damn fun, cheap and make the 'manly men' with big honking guns go 'what the *** was that?"

Oh and on parts (lots and lots out there, if you look......)
buy two, and it's still cheaper than a most

BTW XR :banghead:, try looking for TOKAREV Pistol.... we're not talking about CZ/vz. 52 pistol, or the SHE/vz. 52 RIFLE or the SVT..... shessh,
Gunbroker has 262 items listed under 'tokarev'
I won't even get on ebay... or Sarco
or http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=8688
gees, they seem to have parts......
 
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As for replacement parts, just about any part can be found online with some Googlefu. Auction sites such as Gunbroker, Auction Arms and GunsAmerica have folks who sell parts, parts kits, part guns, etc.
 
Shadow - My post never mentioned the other tokarev rifles, it was in response to the other guys post showing a mix of rifle and pisto partsl. My link is strictly for the tokarev pistols.

Ebay doesn't allow gun parts anymore expect for grips and gun stocks etc.

You can't do broad Tokarev parts search, it must be narrowed down to the specific pistols.

The only real sources left for parts in GPC is the biggest in the world for gun parts, springfield sporters and sarco, and I never had much luck with sarco for anything, a few parts they sent me for a mauser rifle were not in good condition.

So if these 3 places don't have it then you are out of luck.
 
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I have a Yugo and a Romy and both have never suffered so much as a single malfunction. My dad picked up a Romy and has had zero issues with his as well.

These are tough mil-spec pistols.
 
Indeed. Virtually everyone who's used one of these pistols loves them. There's damn little that can go wrong with one, and they're easy to fix in the event something does. They're cheap, they're accurate, they fire a powerful round. Hollowpoints are available from Wolf. What more can you ask? They're also fairly lightweight for their size and construction. Mine weighs noticeably less than a 1911. A stock Tokarev fits perfectly in a Colt Commander holster. With a compensator, they fit in a Government holster.
 
OK, you've collectively gone and done it. Now I want one.

What countries produced the best ones?
 
Romanians are generally considered the best. They were manufactured from 1953 onwards, and they had the best manufacturing equipment and tolerances. Polish ones are also considered good, as are the M57 Tokagypt variants made for Egypt. Note that the Polish and Tokagypt ones are harder to get parts for because they actually changed some parts from the Russian and Romanian models. The Romanian model is an exact copy of the Russian design, but made with better tolerances.
 
WARNING: everyone must IMMEDIATELY stop buying Tokarev pistols. I'm in the market for another one and I really want the price to go down.

My personal favorite is the dude who has never shot one and says they're junk. PUT UP A BILLBOARD, PLEASE!

You guys SLAY me with your jokes. Remember...go buy...whatever, just so long as its not a Tok.
 
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WARNING: everyone must IMMEDIATELY stop buying Tokarev pistols. I'm in the market for another one and I really want the price to go down.

My personal favorite is the dude who has never shot one and says they're junk. PUT UP A BILLBOARD, PLEASE!

You guys SLAY me with your jokes. Remember...go buy...whatever, just so long as its not a Tok.
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Well, I'm pretty sure our little endless source of misinformation is now enjoying a vacation from the forum, so he won't be influencing people for a while. I love my Tokarev, though. I used it to qualify for my CCW. It carries well, and is just an all around great gun. It's my favorite pistol to shoot, with one of my Makarov-caliber guns a close second.
 
I've got a pair of Polish Tokarevs I picked up a few years back.

I haven't had a bit of trouble with either one and I have put literally thousands of rounds through one of them. The other is in near mint condition and I only occasionally shoot it.

The only parts I've replaced on my shooter are the springs and Wolff gun springs carries them.

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=68

I also had two CZ-52s, sold one and the other I'm keeping as a collector. I prefer the TOK over the CZ, much better ergonomics especially withe the finger groove mag extension and my TOKs will eat any ammo whereas the CZ would not. For some reason I would get light primer strikes with both CZs the TOKs never missed.

The slide stop lever is also a major problem with the CZ-52s. It's a pin that holds it in and it walks out, when Makarov.com was still in business they offered a nut and bolt replacement. The CZs also had trouble with the trigger pin walking out. The TOKs don't use pins so no such problems. Occasionally the mag follower would ride over the pin on the slide stop lever after it walked out and the only way to get the mag out was to disassemble the pistol.

Now I did own a Chinese Norinco T-54 that wasn't up to par with the Poles. It had a bad habit of locking up tight with the slide all the way back. The cheesy add on safety also had a bad habit of coming on by itself. The fit and finish also left a lot to be desired. It's another one I got rid of.

Now I don't know about the Yugos or Romy's that have been coming in lately but if you can still find a Pole I highly recomend them. Very well built and finished and made from good quality Polish steel.
 
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I'm by no means an expert in all things TT-33, but from those that I've seen and handled, the Poles seem to be the best in the field of fit and finish. My Yugos seems to be close in both fields, but I've also read issue involving the fit of the manual safety on M57s by some. Fortunately, neither of my M57 have experience anything other than perfect fit and function in this regard.

From handling the three makes, the Romanians appear to be the roughest of the in terms of machining marks compared to the Polish and Yugoslavian Tokarovs (and variants) that I've seen/handled.
I don't know how the metallurgy compares between the three and I haven't handled any Soviet or Chinese Tokarevs yet.

If it weren't for the subjectively "better" ergonomics of the M57, I'd suggest searching for a Polish Tokarev. Just be prepared to pay more for them. If I were looking for another Tok, it would be a Pole for sure (unless I stumbled upon a great deal on another M57 or a Romanian).
 
I bought mine because I expect a Russian military design to be very rugged and would be a good gun to leave in the vehicle during the day, especially here in Florida. Finally after reading real expert opinion about the most effective component of a SD round, penetration, pretty hard to beat.
 
I loved mine and foolishly sold it. I do have a CZ52, but it just ain't the same. I yet again have a Tok on my wish list
 
Ok, here goes:
I live close enough to J&G to drive over. I bought a Tokarev for $199 from a random selection of 3. I also picked up 2 70 rd boxes mil surp ammo. went home and cleaned off cosmoline. (used a clothes steamer and then WD 40) Out to the range and 140 rds with no problems. Back to J&G picked out another Tokarev and bought 3 1240 rd tins of mil surp ammo. Cleaned off cosmoline and have fired over 500 rds thru the 2 guns absolutely no misfires.
1 2 tokarevs
2 3920 rds of mil surp ammo
3 2 serviceable holsters
4 4 magazines
Grand total cash outlay/tax $716
Georgia arms charges $960 for 4000 38 special rds without tax, think about it a moment.
I have two reliable pistols, 2 leather holsters, 4 magazines and close to 4000 rds of ammo for less than the price of 4000 rds 38 special. It is going to take me a long time to fire the other 3400 rds of ammo.

blindhari

I have to add, I learned to work on these when I was an Army armorer in Berlin (1968). Tough, Rugged, reliable as a baseball bat, and extreme ease of field maintenence
 
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Tokarev

My tokare with the new gips I fitted to. My Tok now has the the new 9mm barrel That was rechambered to 9x23.
 

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had one of the 9mil chinese tocs several years back and it shot like my granny dipped snuff.back then there were fewer compact 9s available and none at that price.with its curved lines and hammer- head grip you could put it in your belt and it wouldn't print with fresh ink. i got used to the grip angle and mile high rear sight but when i racked the slide i kept catching my finger on the cheap chicom safety. i traded the pistol($90) and a chinese SKS($40) for a Hungarian hi power($220). the Soviet designs may look cheap or clumsy to most westerners but they'll shoot through a Russian winter or a Mekong monsoon and back in its day only one semi equaled its reliability and firepower its American cousin the 1911A1
 
Xr1200's constant ragging on the tokarev is one of the strangest things I have ever seen on a firearm forum.
My first tokarev was a viet nam bring back. It looked like it had been found at the bottom of a rice paddy...pitted. Slide was mismated to the frame. Bore dark.
Yet it worked perfectly and shot accurately.
My Romanian Tok has been just as reliable, and I really don't anticipate needing any parts.
Some posts I have read elsewhere indicates that in Pakistan, the Tok enjoys cult status similar to the 1911 in this country...and yes, they have access to many more modern designs there.
 
I'm going to get one of these tt-33's folks seem to like so much! :)

My CZ-52 is my favorite pistol. If one gets pin walk, just restake the pins. No dark magic there. Took my CZ-52 down to white. Got rid of most of the combloc machine marks. Cleaned up the action a tad. Did a park job on it. Through in a new firing pin, rollers. And it runs 100%. Has trigger like a switch and is a head shot machine at 100 yards be it reloads or surplus ammo.

Yep I need to get a Tokarev I beat a Rommy would work real good with my Rommy AK. :)
 
To answer why not the Tok? Mainly because I am too lazy to want to clean the pistol after shooting corrosive ammo. So I stick with what will shoot more common commercial ammo. But I think the Tok is an pretty awesome pistol, and the cartridge is uses is a dandy hot little round. Just not looking to add them to my stable.
 
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Cards, there are a few options out there for high quality yet affordable non-corrosive and reloadable 7.62x25. The example below is made by PPU, a respectable ammunition manufacturer and costs about the same as .40 S&W FMJ target ammunition ($15.95/50, or $15.25 each with a 10+ box purchase).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AP76225FMJ
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Do a real search on the parts for these guns and you will find that almost none are available, and there are slight differences bewteen the models which will not allow all parts interchange.

A lot of the parts you see at various websites are from poorly maintained sites , that doesn't update inventory or price lists.

Numrich Arms is the only reputable spare part supplier and they don't have much listed for any of the tokarev pistols, ( you have to make sure you are not looking at the tokarev rifles).

The problem is that most of these guns were military surplus and once common parts available years ago have been exhausted and no longer imported or available.

Even the M57 my brother purchased from gander mountain with problems spent months at gander repair center, 2 different visits and they did nothing to it. Couldn't get parts and didn't no how to repair and refused to return it.

So you die hards can preach the virtues of these pistols, but the truth is there is no cheap way to shoot them and almost no replacement parts are available ( prove me wrong, post the links showing the parts that are currently forsale, it should be easy if the exist ).
 
One time this dude's brothers friends knew this chick who saw.....

Once again, XR PICS PLEASE
I wanna see you with a Tokarev or Variant in YOUR HAND, as in shooting, as in you actually have experience with the gun that you insist trolling every thread where it comes up and badmouthing it.

I don't like 1911, THEY DO NOTHING FOR ME
and yet I don't troll 1911 threads do I?

If you look for replacement parts you can find them, And if you can't, you can part out your gun, and buy one that is basically OK but may require a little help from a guy like XR for less than your parted out gun.
 
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