Why not the Tokarev?

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No trolling or bad mouthing , just replying to your constant references to my post.

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"If you look for replacement parts you can find them, And if you can't, you can part out your gun, and buy one that is basically OK but may require a little help from a guy like XR for less than your parted out gun. "


So Shadow 7d , If these guns are so great then why is it then your telling ppl if parts aren't available, to sell their damaged gun for parts and buy another shootable one, That may break in the same manner and then what are they supposed to do, BUY ANOTHER ONE FOR SPARE PARTS.

My brother did purchase one of M57 from Gander Mountain about 3 months ago fact and they would even allow a return or refund on the defective gun.
1. Gun looked unissued.
2. issued clips would not allow the slide to function and with the clips inserted.
3. Exchanged clips from another gun , now it functioned.
4. Now that the gun fired, it had the problem with misfires and would go off on its own, very unsafe condition.
5. Point of Aim could not even be adjusted with the sights on the gun.
 
LOL :D Shadow7D, you knew it was just a matter of time, didn't you?

XR1200, give us a specific tok part to look for. I'd imagine someone will be able to find it using Google. Numrich, Brownells and the ilk are not the only places parts can be found. Much of the time, parts can be found from sources such as Aim, Sog, J&G and the like. All you have to do it call them and see if a specific part is available. Also, just because a particular part isn't on Gunbroker, AuctionArms, GunAmerica or even Ebay today certainly doesn't mean the part won't be there tomorrow.

Also, look up the word "fun". That's what I plan on having with my M57 and the thousands of rounds of milsurp I have on hand. I believe some of the most fun I've had was with a cap and ball revolver, blasting some expired cans of Green Giant peas and Fresca. Never would I suggest someone purchase a cap and ball revolver for defense. However, if fun is what they're looking for, they'll find it with these archaic designs.

Not to say Tokarevs and CZ-52s can't be used for more serious work, after all, they were both designed and used (successfully) as military sidearms. I now reload for the 7.62x25 and fully intend on using one of my M57s, stoked with JSP, for hiking.
 
Tokarev ammo is $15.95 per box and therefore is just a big paperweight. Nobody should shoot anything other than 9mm bc of the extremely high cost.
 
I've had a couple of Chinese toks in 9x19. They were adequately accurate for self defense, but my M85UL Taurus, my Polish P64 Radom, and my Kel Tec P11 are easier to carry and more accurate. The thing has a funky, unusable safety on it and I didn't wanna carry it any other way than condition 3....not good. I'll not buy another. They're not accurate enough for ME to have fun with 'em. They aren't plinking accurate, can only shoot about 4-5" at 25 yards from a bench rest. Now, that might not apply to other tokes in other calibers from other countries, but I didn't want an oddball caliber to reload for. I've got plenty of components and a dillon square deal set up for 9x19. Of course, factory ammo in this calliber ain't THAT expensive. Brass is all over the ground at the range, though, for my taking.

One of my tokes had a terrible trigger. A smith was able to lighten it up well, but for about 40 bucks. I only gave a C note for the gun, though. I didn't like the master link clip on the side of the frame, either, looked stupid. Oh, well, that's just my bias. Some folks actually like these things. It WAS reliable, I'll give it that, both of 'em were. All in all, I got a lot better deal with my Radom P64 as old eastern block service guns go. I actually LIKE that gun. The Russian Maks are nice shooters, too. The P64 will hold 3" at 25 yards off the bench and fits in a front pocket. Far better choice for carry IMHO. They can be had for 175 bucks and up. I gave 199 for mine at Gander Mountain last year.
 
Great car gun....sometimes overpenetration can be an asset. ;)

I went through about six inexpensive pistols before I settle on the Tok for car duty.

And I snagged one of those 1260 round cans of ammo for about $100 and change.

Gun itself was $200 and not only shoots well but creates a muzzle flash and concussion that'll make heads turn at the range.

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Good safety fix and necessary if one is to carry the thing. It is VERY flat, carries well IWB if you can find good leather or make it. I have no need for a "car gun", but I can see a toke for that. In a car, I'd just leave it condition 3. I've got 3 cars and two motorcycles and am usually on a bike if my wife ain't with me and sometimes when she is. :D I have plenty of choices for a "car gun" if I wanted one, though.

But, well done on that safety. That would be a must for toke owners IMHO. That's the MAIN thing I didn't like about those things that I had as far as carry goes. The master link clip on the frame isn't really desirable, either. It would be a clothes grabber on the draw, potentially. Then there's the grip angle which I didn't like, but that's a personal thing.
 
Go to the GPC parts website and try and look at the schematic, there are about 38 parts to the tokaerv and about 5 models listed, of the approximate 38 parts there are only about 24 listed and a lot of parts are repeated from list to list.

If you look at the parts that are available , it is not usually the critical items that may break or wear out.

Most importantly not one part is listed for the current m57 which is on the market.

Some parts interchange , but not all of them
 
Hey, XR, should I take the wind out of your sail...
THE M57 and variants are....
STILL IN PRODUCTION....

Check out the Zastava website.
So I guess you CAN get parts, might be a little difficult, but you CAN

Dude WHY DO YOU POST ON THE TOKAREV threads, we got it, you have an unreasonable HATE, or are you just a troll?
 
If you cannot disagree with one another without shouting or emotion, the thread will get locked. Y'all need to deal with each other, or simply ignore one another.
 
show me where you there is a USA importer currently selling and importing new and used m57 models. Not modified 9mm shortened models.

Same thing with norinco's still available in canada, or some banned a47 parts, it means nothing if they are still made , china, russia or imported canada. You simply can not import banned items into the USA and I feel no one wants to take on any responsibility for servicing parts for the M57.
 
no mike, I'm just annoyed that he keeps insisting that one of John Moses Browning's bastard children is the worst gun ever, I mean, can't he take up bashing pot metal guns or something.

Sides that, I'm on the look out for those 9mm barrels, so I can be XR compliant....
but I just don't think he'll be happy then
 
wally, if you read my post fully, you know that my link was found in less than 2 minutes of google searching.

Sorry you had such a bother fixing your pistol but I also have three other places I can get Tokarev parts.
One is a gentleman who bought ALL the Chinese parts Kengs Firearm Specialties had on hand when they divested themselves from the Cinese import connection.
It amounted to two containers full of Tokarev, SKS, and Mak90 parts.

There were as many Tokarevs made as 1911s during and after World War Two and the guns are produced by as many countries as clone guns as there are clones of the 1911.
Finding parts really isn't all that difficult, even here in the states.
 
You can dance all you want around the question of parts availability.

The truth is that GPC is the biggest parts distributor around and some of the smaller sites selling whatever is left of the chinese, russian, polish, do not have much of anything left.

As they bought the parts years ago , and most are all gone.

You try and contact these sites and they never return emails or phone calls , and when you finally reach them, they will tell you the parts are no longer available.

So if these parts are available, please enlighten us all to the sources or is the real reason you can't , is because they don't exist.
 
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SO
post the parts you need to fix it
and you still haven't posted any photos of you and a tokarev....
 
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To me that's half the fun of vintage guns is finding or fabricating the parts to keep them up and running.

Just like an old car or motorcyle you have to make an effort to find stuff.

This is what seperates a true collector of vintage guns from the wannabes.


If you want cheap and easy to find parts get a Glock or a Kel-Tec and leave the classics to those who have the ambition and brainpower to keep them up and running.
 
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" To me that's half the fun of vintage guns is finding or fabricating the parts to keep them up and running.

Just like an old car or motorcyle you have to make an effort to find stuff.

This is what seperates a true collector of vintage guns from the wannabes. "

Only problem with that analogy is that there is no one making cheap knock off parts in china , india or taiwan for obosolete guns, as compared to the motorcycle industry.

Although you may have come up with a good a idea for a new cable gun show, they could call it PIMP MY GUN.
 
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I'm able to get 3" groups on occasion at 25 yards with my M57. This from an indoor range and someone who's not all that great with handguns. That was from the "crappier" of the two M57s I have that had a frosted bore. I would think someone who's actually good with handguns could do even better.
I haven't really put the near-mint/possibly unissued M57 through its paces yet, though at 15 yards, it seems just as accurate.

I don't know, perhaps I really got lucky with two one-in-a-million M57s that are substantially more accurate than the norm... but I kind of doubt it. Certainly there will be some dogs out there that won't group worth a darn, but I would think ending up with something that's acceptably accurate (as mine are) isn't uncommon.

Again, what parts are so hard to find?

For those who feel that it's absolutely impossible to find replacement parts should put us to task and list a part or two. I would think a link to the part might follow soon enough. Of course, when I buy an inexpensive milsurp firearm, I don't do so intending to fire 10K round through it or plan on using it during the zombie apocalypse where there's no hope of replacement/repair.
Though it doesn't hurt that they're built like tanks, probably could reach 10K before requiring repair and probably would serve a man well during Armageddon.

Obviously the M57 isn't for the guy who has his heart set on a G19 or P226. It's not a pistol I would recommend to someone looking for carry or duty use.
The person I would recommend it to is someone wanting a robust, inexpensive pistol that isn't any more expensive to feed than most handguns and is incredibly fun.

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Yeah I'd like to know what these absolutely irreplaceable parts are too.


The only parts I've replaced are the springs and those are easy to find.

Even if something did break I know a very good smith who can make just about any small part you can imagine, and another good friend who works in a machine shop.

There's really no part on a Tokarev that a good smith or a competent machine shop couldn't make, if I couldn't find a replacement online.

It's just a piece of machinery made from metal parts.


But so far I haven't had any parts breakages to worry about anyway.

I don't know about all of them but mine are well made from quality Polish steel, and I haven't seen any signs at all of abnormal wear or stressed parts ready to break.
 
There's really no part on a Tokarev that a good smith or a competent machine shop couldn't make, if I couldn't find a replacement online
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Since the Pistols are ~$200 there is not a lot of room to pay for custom machine shop work and still have a cost effective repair.

I've found plenty of out of stock firing pins on-line, and the one I found that was in stock, was not correct!

If you got a machine shop, great, put your money where your mouth is and make me a firing pin for a Romanian TTC -- I'll gladly pay you the $20 Numrich charged me for the one that didn't work (too short!).
 
For those that don't care for XR1200's posts about why he doesn't like a 189 dollar former Commie Gun, there's this handy little feature that allows one to ignore someone's posts. It works nicely and all you see is their username along with the text "This user is on your ignore list". It's just a tool in the toolbox to blindly ignore folks who just seem to want to stir the pot.
 
For those that don't care for XR1200's posts about why he doesn't like a 189 dollar former Commie Gun, there's this handy little feature that allows one to ignore someone's posts. It works nicely and all you see is their username along with the text "This user is on your ignore list". It's just a tool in the toolbox to blindly ignore folks who just seem to want to stir the pot.
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A very timely post. There is a great deal of good information in this thread, and this tool allows you to remove the discourse.
 
Ok ! lets get this straight if you need a replacement part for a $200 tokarev pistol that is no longer made. Then you should go to a gunsmith or a machine shop.

Whats wrong with this senario is that most machine shops operate at a $150-$200 per hr labor rate.

Gunsmiths operate at a $65-$150 hr labor rate depending on shop and location and skill set.

Now add all this up at least 2-3 hrs to design and make a part from scratch and plus the time to fit it.

No ones going to put $200 - $ 300 in labor costs on a $200 broken pistol.
 
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