Why the hate on the XD's?

[White Horseradish]

Is it too late to post this? (language warning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdYBc0BLgQ

 

[Drew78]

I will say this for the opinions you saw on M4Cabrine, there are a NUMBER of guys on that forum, and IN that thread who really, really know what they are talking about when it comes to "service platforms". I would heed some of those posts, but in the end, it is your decision.

Regarding the safety issue, ANY gun is inherintly dangerous. If one needs to rely on a manual safety to feel comfortable with a platform, you need to recheck your gun handleing proceedures. You dont pull the trigger, the gun dosent fire. Simple as that. Mechanical safetys are just that, mechanical, and can fail. This can be a VERY situation when one relys on that safety to safely handle a firearm. Rant off.

Best of luck OP and congrats on the big 21!

-Drew

 

[9mmforMe]

Regarding the safety issue, ANY gun is inherintly dangerous. If one needs to rely on a manual safety to feel comfortable with a platform, you need to recheck your gun handleing proceedures. You dont pull the trigger, the gun dosent fire. Simple as that. Mechanical safetys are just that, mechanical, and can fail. This can be a VERY situation when one relys on that safety to safely handle a firearm. Rant off.

People make mistakes when handling firearms, so why not have a manual safety aside from the "cognitive safety" if he feels he wants one?

 

[KenW.]

As a Deputy Sheriff I had carried 1911s (Colt,and Kimber) since 1995. About a year ago I transitioned to a XD45c, and haven't looked back. I even got a XD9SC for off-duty and extraditions.

I shoot the XD line almost as well as the 1911; but gained increased capacity and durablity. I like the grip angle and pointablity over that of the Glock. Each XD has functioned absolutely flawlessly. They are box-stock except for night sites.

I've fired Glocks, but have only handled M&Ps. I only wish I had bought the XD45 with the thumb safety, but I've gotten used to not having one now.

 

[Drew78]

People make mistakes when handling firearms, so why not have a manual safety aside from the "cognitive safety" if he feels he wants one?

I have no problem with people wanting pistols with manual safties and I really was not positioning that post towards any one individiual. I read something regading safties on one of the pages and it just seems that some people look at a manual safety on a pistol as an "out" to relax thier trigger finger discipline/pistol handleing techniques. To me that is a dangerous combo, can accidents happen with or with out a MS? Absoultly.

For me, and as much as I hate to use the term "tactical", there are many reasons why I dont want ANY kind of MS or mag disconnect near my EDC pistols. I am a fan of snubbies and glocks. But this isnt about brand, heck, I once had an M&P9c with no MS or mag disconnect but unloaded it as I didnt shoot it as well as my Glocks.

Best to all!

 

[9mmforMe]

My P95 has a manual safety and though I'm not in love with it It doesn't faze me at all. I simply train to wipe of the safety everytime the pistol is in my hand; and with the DA trigger on the first pull, I feel very comfortable.

I definitely agree with you, Drew, that someone becoming lax in following safe gun handling procedures, due to the presence of a manual safety, would be unwise. I, like you, don't like magazine disconnectors either.

I've never shot the XD so I can't offer an opinion on its functioning but I don't like the aesthetics at all. Now give me one of their Mil-Spec 1911s and I would be very happy.

 

[HKGuns]

There is nothing and I mean NOTHING ubiquitous about Glock.

Glocks are nothing more than knock offs, so you you don't have much on the XD after all do you? You gotta just love the Glock trolls.

 

[HoosierQ]

Southeast

For quite awhile there, the XD was a gun that you almost never heard a bad word about. CZ same way. Somebody always hates Glock. S&W and Ruger too. But nobody ever said a bad word about XD for a very long time. Rather uncanny really.


Having fired one, I can say it is very nice...a full-sized, regular (not M) .45...very nice gun.

Their compact model is quite a chunk really but the full-sized 5" barrel models are nice.

There is a great deal of parity between these quality firearms today. Glock, XD, S&W, HK, Sig, Beretta...they're all good really even if they appeal to different people.

 

[Drew78]

There is nothing and I mean NOTHING ubiquitous about Glock.

Glocks are nothing more than knock offs, so you you don't have much on the XD after all do you? You gotta just love the Glock trolls.

Sure hope u aren't reffering to me as a glock troll. I am not a fan boy for glock. I have shot lots of platforms and I shoot the glock best. I also like their reliability finish and ease of replacing parts as part of routine maint.

To say a XD is the same as a Glock is ignorant. They maybe the same color on the frame but that's it. I never "urinated" on the XD, it just isn't for me. They sit way too high in my hand.

OP I would suggest either the Glock or Smith M&P line given my experiences...

If you are looking for a troll, perhaps a bit of self examination is in order based on the tone of your post.

 

[roadliner]

Like some of the other guys, I bought my XD before the model with the safety came out. I didn't know if I'd like after carrying 1911's for so long, but I do. Like the grip angle and the accuracy. Don't really know why people hate it, probably the same way they hate Glocks, Taurus, Rugers ect.

 

[Dogguy]

The only thing about the XD I don't like is the grip safety. That's because the grip safety is one of several things about the 1911 I dislike.

But I don't hate the XD and I don't hate the 1911. If you were giving them out, I'd stand in line as long as necessary to get one. But neither of them are on my "wish list" as something I will buy in the future.

"Glocks are nothing more than knock offs...."

I'm sorta havin' difficulty following this. What did Glock knock off from? I mean, I know there was a plastic framed pistol before Gaston came along but I have problems resolving that fact with the "knock off" statement.

By the way...how did it ever get to the point that someone has to diss all other guns just because that person prefers using one type/model/brand of gun. Sorta gives the impression that that someone is insecure in their preferences.

 

[pistolpacker]

I have two XDM's one full-sized in .40 s&w and the other is the new XDM compact 9mm. I absolutely love both of them. I have put just over 5,000rds through the full-sized and about 1000rds through the compact without any kind of problems what so ever from either one. They are a joy to shoot. Handguns mag. did a 20,000 rd torture test on the XD and you can check it out if you go to google and type in XD torture test magazine review. The XD they tested performed flawlessly and got great remarks, i suggest you read the article. Glocks have been around for over 20yrs which has given them a lot longer in the market place to prove themselves and gain a loyal consumer base, plus they are great guns and ultra-reliable. Personally I dont like the handle on the glocks or the grip-angle and the trigger pull stages more than I prefer.
Go XD and you wont regret it.

 

[DenaliPark]

Here is an objective review:

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/genera...pe-myths-xd-good-enough-professional-use.html


M

An objective look at a weapon that not one major LEA has any intention of ever adopting, from a fan site? LMAO

 

[M1key]

An objective look at a weapon that not one major LEA has any intention of ever adopting, from a fan site? LMAO

Don't hurt yourself.

This:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=460059

It's marketing, plain and simple. Smith & Wesson took a page from the Glock marketing book and ran with it. Gaston Glock figured that if he offered all kinds of services that departments weren't used to getting, they would buy his guns. It worked. He flew 5 officers from my department back east and put them through a week long armorer's school, for free. He then offered replacement parts for the guns that were purchased.

Our department's decision to buy the Glock had nothing to do with the quality of the gun, only the back up service and free training that came with them. One particular person in the training division was wowed by it all, and convinced the Sheriff that it was the hot ticket. I could tell many horror stories about our Glock 22's, but that not the subject of this thread.

Smith & Wesson has been sending reps to all the departments, large and small, with a trunk full of guns and all the ammunition the officers want to shoot. He was here about three years ago, and the small department in my town went through about 3,000 rounds of Smith & Wesson's free ammunition, firing every M&P the guy brought. After an all day session, they didn't buy one gun from him, but had a great time. Because I chair a group of retired cops, I was invited to the affair and shot all the S&W M&P's. After it was over, I let everyone shoot my XD 357 Sig Service Model, and they all shot better than they had with any of the M&P's, and most shot better than they do with their issue Glocks.

Springfield is having a hard time keeping up with the civilian demand for the XD as it is. I've talked to the Springfield reps at the SHOT Show and they just can't keep them in stock, so there's no need for them to push the pistol to law enforcement at this time. That may change at some point in the future, but only time will tell.

Hope this helps.

Fred


I am hearing the same from a number of LE agencies today, including our local Border Patrol. They are being overwhelmed by Glock and Smith & Wesson in order to get or keep their contracts. And I guess you would have to include the likes of Clint Smith, Chuck Taylor, and Ken Hackathorn as "fan boys" eh?

M

 

[Dulvarian]

I think I have decided that polymer autoloaders are like now like plastic handled hammers. At first, some were skeptical that a piece of plastic could be as good as a piece of nice hickory or ash. As it turns out, tools are tools. Some like the 12 oz hickory handle ball-peen, some like the 36 oz plastic handled framing hammer. Some will never touch one, because the first hammer invented was xxx, and someone human progress will never move an inch further.

Pick the one that you hit the nail best with. Hammer a bunch of nails. If you find that it doesn't hit the nail like you want it, sell it and get a new one, just like any other tool. Or, you just get a really big rack full of hammers. Either option is fine, I prefer option 2.

The really important thing to remember is: Why you bought the tool. Does the tool carry out that function for you, after enough testing that you feel that you can ignore all of the internet/gun-shop commandos and be comfortable with what is in your hand?

Even a crescent wrench is a better hammer than your forehead.

Use 'em, abuse 'em, take it apart and get to know it. Decide for yourself when it needs work, or when something is off, or there is too much wear. Read the manual. Try out different magazines. Swap guns with your friends at the range.

After some experience with your first gun, you will find that there are things that you like and things that you don't. It isn't a marriage. Pretty much everything on the market for handguns is reliable enough, especially after you test it for yourself. Even the absolute best QA program on the planet could miss a mistake, or a problem could occur during shipping, or whatever.

I can say that my xxx is 100% reliable. Until I cock the the slide during reassembly because I am not paying attention or working too fast. While I personally have never done that, I have seen someone else do it. Your 100% reliable handgun just became a pretty brick. Same thing for untested magazines and/or ammo.

Buy one, enjoy it. By the time you figure out you don't like it, you will be better informed for the next one. Post pictures and ask more questions.

 

[Hanzo581]

All I can tell you is what a local firearms trainer tells everyone, and that is XDs break very fequenly in his classes.

Does Glock give him a special kickback for spouting this nonsense?

Or maybe he just has the worst luck on earth.

 

[Dulvarian]

I must be more of a cynic, but I figure 95% of people at gun stores are full of it, and the other 5% aren't talking. Hanzo, I think I have to agree with you. Most people that work with handguns seem to have a 'divine preference' and everything else is crap.

It would be different if he had a log of each and every failure, with a profile of the shooter, round count on the gun, and ammo load. With pictures and statements from witnesses. That's a case study, and I will at least listen to those without rolling my eyes.

 

[AOK]

"Does Glock give him a special kickback for spouting this nonsense? Or maybe he just has the worst luck on earth."

IF he is talking about who I think he is, he's actually an M&P guy and he's well respected as an instructor (and writes articles for a couple gun magazines) in the firearm industry.

 

[JDGray]

Does Glock give him a special kickback for spouting this nonsense?

Or maybe he just has the worst luck on earth.

He doesn't have the bad luck, the people he sees in his classes do. He's a straight up honest guy, that sees alot of different guns in the course of his training, and knows what works, and what breaks. I do believe Magpul pays him though, not Glock.

IF he is talking about who I think he is, he's actually an M&P guy and he's well respected as an instructor (and writes articles for a couple gun magazines) in the firearm industry.

Same guy

 

[gman45]

springfield xd9 way off!!!

I wanted a 9mm. I shopped the market liked the xd9. Finally got it after my 3 day wait. I took it to the range, the pistol cycled flawlessly, with probably 500 round through it, I couldn't hit a barn with it. I figured out @ 36ft if I aim 14inches right 2inches high I can hit bullseyes all day long. I need to find a gunsmith!!!!

 

[helitack32f1]

Just 2 cents from a Glock fan. Buy what works for you. I know many have said that already but figured I would throw my vote in there. While I love Glocks the only reason I do not own an XDm is lack of money. Same reason I don't own a lot of other pistols too. At this point in the evolution of polymer guns, unless you are purchasing a Hipoint or something worse (like Kel-Tec), chances are you are not going to go wrong and will love your purchase. If it fits you well, is comfortable and shoots well for YOU that is all that matters, especially if it is the only gun you will be purchasing for quite awhile. Good luck and happy gun buying!

 

[mstrat]

I figured out @ 36ft if I aim 14inches right 2inches high I can hit bullseyes all day long. I need to find a gunsmith!!!!

So you're shooting low and left.

I had the exact same problem with my XDm9. Now bear with me:

In the past, I'd only shot rifles (and MGs, and other service weapons), and an M9/92fs (a big heavy chunk of a pistol).

My first private pistol purchase was a 92FS. I was familiar with it, and liked it. I can hit bullseyes all day with it.

Then later I got an XDm 9mm, and continually shot low and left. Range trip after range trip, same thing. I thought something must be wrong with it. But I was wrong. It was not the pistol. It was me.

Fast forward 4 or 5 range trips later, and I can hit bullseyes all day long with it (with a proper sight picture - i don't aim high and right to compensate). The problem was I've always had sloppy technique, but the weight and chunk of other pistols I've used masked it.

I'm not yet sure exactly what the problem was, but I worked on tackling it from multiple angles:
* Recoil anticipation: Random snap caps in the magazine to prove i was anticipating.
* Trigger control. Practice practice practice at a smooth trigger pull straight backwards.
* Paying attention to my sight picture. When i find myself getting sloppy and not focusing on that front sight, I know it's time to call it a day.

I know exactly the frustration you're feeling, and believe me, I feel your pain. But it will take time, practice, patience (LOTS of patience), and possibly even some instruction.

If you're not sure what the problem is, and can't get it figured out in a few range trips, find a range that has instructors for hire on a one-to-one basis. They can observe you and work with you to figure out what you need to work on.

Trust me. It's 99.99999999% likely the gun is fine. It just takes some training to iron out bad habits.

 

[ekgandj]

Ok I will just put my 2cents. I have owned 2 XD's and loved the both. I just did a trigger job on my 40xdsc and wow did the trigger come around. IMO It is the reason that many people have trouble shooting the xd out if the box. It has a very long trigger pull on it and seems to pull the gun left if you do not have precise trigger control. Oh and parts are easily bought online if you want to tinker with stuff. FYI I like glocks too mainly because of the trigger.


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[klash545]

i think it stems from its history....way back when it was imported as the hs2000 and was a good $250 pistol. then springer stamped their name on the side,tweaked it a tiny bit and jacked the price up. plus it has a grip safety that locks the slide if not depressed and a lot of folks hate that.

 

[CZguy]

This chart can help pinpoint the problem for shooting technique.