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I heard a crazy story from my brother last night.

Last week he ran into the local animal control officer (near Austin, TX) and she said a pack of wild dogs had been killing the shetland ponies owned by the folks next door.

Fast forward to late that night when he awoke to hear a dog ruckus. He grabbed his S&W .44Mag, a pair of pants (couldn't find a working flashlight) and headed out to the truck. Splashing the next door pasture with the headlights, he spotted 8 dogs literally tearing a new one on a shetland pony--the sort of orifice you could toss a football through. The poor animal was still alive and up on it's feet in spite of the fact that it was missing most of what should be aft of the ribcage.

So, my brother (who hasn't met the neighbors yet), starts walking bullets towards them--they don't pay attention until he's blasting dirt onto them--and they finally bug out. He hopped back into the truck, ran home for more ammo (grabbed a 1911 as well) and hotfooted it over to the neighbor's place. Two women are there; the husband is out of town on business. My brother gives them a ten word account and tells them to meet him back at the scene of the crime.

The dogs are back and are latched onto a second pony. He tries to move them off with a couple of shots, then goes for blood, scoring 2 for 2 hits with the Model29 at 50ft (blood and fur) before they bolt.

Thirteen ponies in three weeks! He's borrowed a .222 bolt gun with a scope on it, upgraded his flashlight gear and has been lurking at the edge of his field nightly for the past four days with his girlfriend, waiting for them to come back. He's a little smarter now and isn't going out without company and some spare magazines. No more hopping fences to get in closer.

The neighbor had them over for supper last night. He suggested they buy a night vision scope and rifle, but they don't want too--you'd think the cost would easily outweigh the loss of just one of their show ponies.

Ty
 
Years back, a guy I worked with in Austin had a small ranch just west of I-35, south of Georgetown. He lost sheep to a dog pack. One day he managed to see it all going down, and killed one of the pack.

Per the tag on the collar, the dog was from the edge of Georgetown; phone number on the tag. He called the owner. The usual, "Oh, my dog wouldn't do anything like that." "Come and look."

A pack of dogs gone bad, or a feral pack out in the boonies, is really, really Bad News. I've had to kill a few out at Terlingua...

Art
 
That is why I keep a centerfire rifle handy.

But one good solution is to get a couple of big donkeys. Donkeys will actually hunt dogs if they get into the pasture. I have an arabian gelding who's the same way -- I've seen him run off big dogs, and once when he and I were out riding, we were attacked by a rottwiler. He kicked that dog about ten feet!:D
 
We had them around a lot when I was a kid. We lived in the country and people would dump their unwanted dogs thinking someone would take them in. Instead, they got killed by coyotes or packed up and started killing farm animals or other dogs. I remember hearing somewhere that feral dogs are the only animals that will kill for fun.

When I was about 12 or 13, I raised show rabbits in 4-H. I was quite good at it, had a few Grand Champion ribbons. One night a pack of dogs ripped my hutches open and killed every last rabbit I owned, and didn't eat a single one of them. :( I must have cried for a week.

My dad built me a dog-proof enclosure for the hutches and I rebuilt the herd.
 
That's why I have no mercy on feral dogs. I see 'em, I shoot 'em. They're very destructive.

Amen.

Of course around here we just had such a case -- these dogs weren't feral, but were sheepkillers nontheless. The owners (who we later found out were federal fugitives) would react to complaints by shooting in the direction of the complaintant.

One fellow, a retired doctor, caught the dogs killing his daughter's sheep and shot one of them. The owner of the dogs came out with a .44 Magnum, with his harridan of a wife (also a federal fugitive) egging him on and shot at the doctor. The doctor returned the compliment with a .30-30, killed the shooter and paralyzed the wife with the same bullet. He's charged with aggravated battery on the wife.

Of course even if it comes to trial, he won't be convicted. But he'll be out at least a hundred thousand dollars in lawyer fees. :banghead:
 
feral dogs, feral cats... same thing. shot on sight. don't particularly like killing dogs, but like being chased or getting my dogs out of jams even less. don't mind the wanton killing of cats though.
 
.30cal,
This sort of thing has been typical on the St. Regis Mohawk Indian Reservation (from where my father hails) for decades. In the culture of my father's people (St. Regis Mohawks), you never see two things as far as dogs are concerned: 1) toy dogs (e.g. Pomeranians, Shih-Tzus, Toy Poodles), and 2) dogs inside the home. Consequently, it isn't unusual for the Rott-Weiler, Shepherd, and Mastiff-types so common up there to go stray and start forming packs. So they are hunted when deer aren't in season. Several years ago, I clipped one that weighed 140 lbs at almost 500 yards away with a competition rifle. It was better than shooting a cull buck or doe!

D.H.
 
I'll admit to dropping a dog or two now and then. And every cat I get the chance on. I keep a pack of 8 Jack Russells and hunt them regularly. No neighbor will ever have to worry about my dogs running around loose on their place though. I only wish I could say the same for their dogs and my place.
 
When I grew up on the farm, I had neighbors that had sheep killed by stray dogs and an uncle that had several hogs killed by dogs

If a stray came on our property it was the "3 S's"
 
Last week he ran into the local animal control officer (near Austin, TX) and she said a pack of wild dogs had been killing the shetland ponies owned by the folks next door.

I have to ask, where outside of Austin? We've had increasing problems at our places with dogs chasing our cattle. So far they're coming out of the subdivisions near us and aren't really feral, but that won't make them any less gone if I catch them. Fortunately we have burros now and they're pretty good at keeping the dogs off the cattle.

James
 
What you want to do is intentionally shoot to wound. The dog will scamper home and its owners will keep it inside at night instead of letting the dog run with a pack. Sounds cruel? Tough luck. Cattlemen need to make a living, too. What cattlemen do not need is town folks moving to the country and causing problems with their un-leashed pets.
TR
 
What you want to do is intentionally shoot to wound. The dog will scamper home and its owners will keep it inside at night instead of letting the dog run with a pack. Sounds cruel? Tough luck. Cattlemen need to make a living, too. What cattlemen do not need is town folks moving to the country and causing problems with their un-leashed pets.

I rely on the SPCA -- the Self-Propelled Carcass Association. Gut shoot 'em, and they run off in the woods to die, leaving their negligent owners to wonder what happened to their puppy-dog.:p
 
They are a problem around Austin, for sure. A friend of mine in Liberty Hill shot one tearing up one of his goats one night, he sees/hears them all the time.

A few years back I shot one east near Taylor/Lexington area chasing deer. Other hunters had seen dogs running deer on the least but I never had. We had a 1,500 acre deer lease, I was hunting smack dab in the middle of it, and along comes a pit bull chasing a 6 pt and a doe. Shot at him twice on the run and missed; got out of my stand, and he comes trotting out of some brush about 30 yds out. He died there on the spot courtesy of 130 grains of .270 lead poisoning. Took his collar off, buried him, and that was it. Sparky didn't come home that night.

Once they get a foothold, they are bad news, worse than coyotes, because they just aren't afraid of people.
 
Where we hunt in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, we shoot every stray dog and cat we see, and bury them where they fall. Deer hunting, as well as rabbit and partridge, is real good there.
 
About three weeks, a pack of seven or eight feral dogs ran across the dirt road in front of me, only about 300 yards from my house.

They were mangy, dirty, and so skinny I could count the ribs on each dog.

They were nosing and bitng every piece of trash on the roadside, desperately looking for food.

I motored home, grabbed a .45 1911, and returned to where I saw the pack .

I went about 50 yards down into the holler where they disappeared, and heard footsteps behind me.

It was the neighbor's Great Pyrenees. He was hunting the pack of feral dogs, too. He stopped to sniff me, and continued on down the holler after the pack.

Never saw them after that. I alerted my neighbors to their presence, but haven't seen any sign of the pack since.

hillbilly
 
we used to hunt them all the time in the El Paso area. Open a bag of dog food in teh bottom a ravine and just wait.
 
I agree with the dogs, if its a stray dog or problem dog shoot it.

though that doesn't go the same for cats. IMO cats get the bennifit of the doubt, they are roamers and people frequently let them out and just seeing one running around doesn't show a careless owner or a stray in the same fashion as a dog
 
I agree with the dogs, if its a stray dog or problem dog shoot it.

though that doesn't go the same for cats. IMO cats get the bennifit of the doubt, they are roamers and people frequently let them out and just seeing one running around doesn't show a careless owner or a stray in the same fashion as a dog

Free-roaming cats kill more wildlife than feral dogs, hunters or automobiles. A study done in England (and since repeated in other countries including the US) simply kept tract of the prey brought home by cats. They kill an enormous number of song birds and similar wildlife.
 
post by lupinus may show a difference in conditions. ie, where i live and hunt, there may be several miles in any given direction between houses. since we only have a couple of cats, any new cats that show up are strays (probably dumped by the good folks in town) and do not belong. feral cats are a nuisance, and are shot on sight.

if i lived someplace really crowded (like a house every mile), then i could see giving cats a chance, rationalizing that the neighbor's cat is out for a walk or something... but, i don't live there, feral cats and dogs bring nothing good, and are shot on sight.

i've been chased by feral dogs once, i had to break up a fight between feral dogs and my dogs once, and i've hunted where there is a marked lack of game because of ferals. they get no second chance by me.
 
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