Will the 1911 suffer, and the Wondernine rule, after the AWB dies?

[Lone_Gunman]

Thats assuming the AWB dies anyway...

1911's have been around a long time, and will be around a long time further, but I bet they have never been more popular than they are right now. I think the AWB has made that happen. When faced with 8 rounds of 45 ACP or 10 rounds of 9 mm, it makes sense to consider the 45.

But 15 rounds of 9mm is hard to resist.

My crystal ball tells me the Wondernine is due for a come back, and while the 1911 certainly won't fade into the pages of history, its popularity is going to decrease.

Makes me wonder why S&W and Sig would both introduce 1911s this close to the AWB sunset. Would have been a better idea 10 yrs ago.

 

[45auto]

I believe the AWB helped the 1911 sales also, but I also think the introduction of brands like Kimber, improvements and models with Springfields, same with Colt, along with all the new entries have greatly increased sales also.

You can buy much better 1911's now with a greater variety than you could 10 years ago. No contest IMO.

That said, if highcaps are back, I believe it would hurt sales the first several years as many consumers would "invest" in high cap mags and guns, just in case!

I suspect it would settle down after that.

 

[Soap]

Not in my holster! But I think that we'll see more Wondernine action in the civvie sector once the AWB dies. Grass is greener syndrome and all.

 

[sm]

I don't think so.

My personal thinking is the 1911 is most likely the most hated/praised platform, don't see this changing. I base this simply on the observation that a bunch of folks have jumped on various bandwagons and come back to a) a platform , b) a cartridge, and c) shot placement is being preached and finally heard more. Bunch of folks like the ergonomics and trigger of a SA. bunch of folks like the 45 ACP. I think this is also the reason why we see a lot of folks going to wheels. Prefer the Platform and cartridges it shoots. Revolvers caught a lot of flak too during all the wondernine/semi arguments too. Some folks left, some never left, some came back.

I have nothing aginst the 9mm, I have, use and CCW one. Combo of Shooters being more mature, getting training, the internet. Magazine and local clubs used to be the source of info. People are better able to communicate, like maybe the REAL reason a certain gun/cartridge is used is because of bean counters and low bids.

Me, I've always been a 1911 style, BHP and old smith wheelgunner ( especially the K frame) I'm accustomed to catching flak, not accustomed to praise. I just got lucky when in the past the fad agreed with me from time to time. Not gonna worry if I'm NOT in agreement, either now or in the future.

 

[SemperFi83]

In what universe?

 

[JohnBT]

"But 15 rounds of 9mm is hard to resist."

I'd never owned a 9mm and bought a CZ 75-B Military for $340 a little more than two years ago. Nothing like a giveaway price to get my attention. And that price included one 15 rounder. Bought 2 more new ones at a gun show for $45 each and a bunch of South African 17 rounders for $19.95 each.

Then I bought a BHP. Stainless 13 round mags were $33. New Mec-Gars were 3 for C-note.

Got some Promags somewhere along the way and some odds and ends when the price was too good to pass up.

Why wait? How much cheaper can things get? You could be shooting.

Oh, you mean the $100 Glock mags. I guess things might liven up some in the marketplace, but carrying a spare mag of .45 ammo is not a chore and 8 plus 8 equals 16.

John

 

[Black Snowman]

If the AWB sunsets It could effect my choice of a CCW gun (assuming I get CCW in KS or move). Right now I'd most likely go with a Glock .40 of some flavor because I already have a couple high-caps for it . . . somewhere.

If the AWB dies I'm more interested in GI mags for my Bushmaster on the cheap. I've already got 6 mags for my FAL and each were only about $10 so can't complain there. I'll probably also pick up one or two of the Scherer high-caps for my Glock since they should drop to the LEO price of $29.99

 

[Blueduck]

I think a huge change since the AW ban has been the number of states approving CCW's permits. Even while a lot of folks don't obtain one they buy the gun thinking they will someday. Nether full size 9mm or 1911's really have much of the carry market outside firearm forums

That taken into account don't see the real full size "wondernines" doing that much better (maybe a little jump), maybe a slight decline in the 1911. Where I see the real jump is the compact 9mm models aka: Glock 19, Sig 229 in 9mm.

 

[10mmshooter]

IMHO....If you ever need your pistol in a defensive scenario...and have to fire, you had better hope that your primary focus was on training for accurate shot placement, and not for capacity,or caliber, or other such nonsense.
Although criminal statutes are cut, and dried...the civil liabilities can vary greatly from one case to another. I suspect that a lawsuit is likely in any event, but whether or not you are ordered to pay damages to the family of a deceased dirtbag may be weighed differently in a situation where a couple of well placed rounds stops the threat...than in a case of firing wildly at a BG just because you have the ammo on tap to do so.
15, or 18 rounds that are used to incapacitate a criminal may be viewed as excessive by folks who can really put a damper on your lifestyle. Personally, I am becoming more, and more a fan of the 1911 style pistol for defensive applications. I am extremely accuratel with it. It can be carried safely. And, the odds of me needing more than 9 rounds of 10mm JHP's, and a spare mag of 8....don't seem too likely.
If I thought I needed high capacity defense, I'd put away my pistol, and break out my 40-rounders for the AK.

 

[krept]

LEs and some military have access to inexpensive brand new full capacity magazines. Some still choose to carry single stack 1911s and revolvers for that matter.

I used to think handgun capacity was a big deal until I hung around TFL for a while...

Although some might switch, I think those who know will stick with what they've got. If I still have my USP .45 when the ban dies, I'll probably just stick with my 10 rnd magazines and save up for a 1911.

and I agree, hopefully after the first magazine, my reload will be a longarm.

cheers

 

[MoNsTeR]

Best of both worlds: STI Eagle in 9mm holds 18 rounds with flush-fitting magazines.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

15, or 18 rounds that are used to incapacitate a criminal may be viewed as excessive by folks who can really put a damper on your lifestyle.

Well my BS meter just went through the roof on that one.

I must ask someone to provide a case where the number of rounds in a handgun was a factor in an otherwise legitimate self defense shooting.

I routinely carry a 1911 style pistol too, but I also realize one can never have too much ammo.

 

[DontShootMe]

It will for me

I would like the ability to engage more than 1 assailant with enough rounds to stop each assailant.

If it's 5 vs 1 I dont want to have to reload and ask the bad guys "hold on a sec..."

 

[Zeke Menuar]

I like 1911's because they fit my hand and I like the single-action trigger.

I don't like "Wondernines" because the grip is chunky and blocky and they generally have lousy DA/SA triggers.

Magazine capacity doesn't really enter into the equation for me. I carry three magazines for a total of 25 rounds. Two mags with 230gr Hydra-Shoks and one mag with good old fashioned hardball. That should be enough to solve most problems. If it isn't enough then it's time to fight my way to the shotgun.

ZM

 

[Gabe]

I know I would switch. The 45 is only slightly better than 9mm in "stopping power". Basically both suck unless you score multiple hits in critical areas. Placement is not enough, if it were a there would've been no need for anything more than a magnum revolver.

A 45 cal gun is good enough though, but there's no rational reason to discount capacity. With advances in modern 9mm bullets, I really don't see much of a difference round for round.

 

[Sean Smith]

I doubt it.

Wondernines will still, on average, have lousy ergonomics and triggers. So folks who already prefer the 1911 still won't change over to them. Also, many of the wondernines have pre-ban full capacity (15+) magazines readily available for not-too-crazy prices anyway. The end of the AWB will mainly save lots of money for folks who want high-capacity magazines for more obscure calibers or platforms.

 

[IRONFIST]

With my ParaOrd P-15 stainless "Limited", I have the best of both worlds. A .45 caliber cartridge which I am very comfortable using for defense, and 15 rounds in the pistol. The combination works very well for me and I carry every day. I am very glad I picked my P-14 and I would certainly buy another.


Michael in Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries

 

[cool45auto]

Well of course I'm in the Wondernine camp but I don't think it will change all that much. Hi-caps are plentiful for the most popular guns now at all kinds of prices. I don't see an end to the 9mm vs. 45 debate any time soon.

(Of course 9mm is better. )

 

[rde]

I'm actually wondering what it will do to the 40 cal handgun sales. Arguments seem to have been if your stuck with ten rounds .. 10 in larger 40 is better than 10 in 9mm. With better more advanced 9mm bullet designs coming into play will 40 caliber sales to civilians diminish..thereby making it an even louder and more "traditional" 45 (big) vs 9mm (capacity) and 40 outside of embedded law enforcement agencies be left sitting on the sidelines. Hmmm.

 

[Zark-9]

10 is good. If you can pack more, fine. But if you need more than 10 in a situation, you are definitely in a situation that requires more planning than just more rounds in your mag.

 

[Zark-9]

Sorry. I didn't address your thread above.

I think 1911 folks and weapons will carry on as always. I like the nine, but it doesn't really matter to me if I have 10 or 15.

 

[SnWnMe]

I have two answers

No the wundernine will die because the likewise reinvigorated 40S&W platform (high cap AND big bore) will take it all. Barring that, the 357 Sig or the 45 Short will.

(here comes the dig) Well, there maybe a market for wundernines. For ppl who can't shoot major PF loads.

 

[444]

Not with me.

I own a number of 9mm handguns all with full capacity magazines. I don't carry them and have no intention of it in the future.

 

[longtom4570]

For me it's 7+1 and shot placement. That said make mine a 1911

 

[hksw]

The way almost every gun company and his brother are starting to produce 1911s (who haven't in the past) in recent history, I seriously doubt it.