marine 97-03
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.....but the S&W Sport would be good too........ 
Windham Weaponry: Owners Opinions
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meanmrmustard
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Absolutely. That, also, is an option. Did you buy yours yet?.....but the S&W Sport would be good too........
marine 97-03
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no not yet I'm like you prob Dec. Or Jan. And its been down to a WW R16m4a4t and the sporty ..both at academy .
meanmrmustard
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Sporty, no doubt. Having asked about this brand, I've learned little, but just enough to sway me.
I've no qualms whatsoever buying another Sport. The Colt/BCM/DD boyz will tell you of better guns, but never deny what the Sport is: Rifles that run, keep running, are popular, and have a fan base with reviews to prove their worth in the AR platform. I'm no fan of short sights, and if I'm paying "mil spec" prices, I want mil spec even if its not my end result.
Therefore, my next AR will be my 3rd Sport, with which I'm resolutely intimate with, or a PSA.
Marine, we need to keep up with each other and compare notes. As far as I can tell, you have a military background, and all I can offer is a vast learning of the Sport. It's not my first rifle of the platform, nor the last. If there was ever a rifle that exuded simplicity, reliability, accuracy, and cost efficiency...it's the Sport. There are cheaper rifles with more features. I'd compare footnotes on whose the boss in value per dollar. It's no Colt, but its more accurate with features that make it a good dive into AR15s as a fighting/target/truck rifle and more.
Then there's the PSA. Bringing a whole new plethora of specs to the game. At $255 more than the Sport overall averaged, the PSA is, from what I can tell, MORE than mil spec. This is where my loyalty to a fine rifle is compromised purely on what is offered. MI free float tube, monolithic rail, MBUS front and rear, mil spec barrel, mil spec BCG, moe furniture, lightweight, forged upper, lower, and buffer, lifetime warranty. It's a tough call.
For accuracy, without even knowing the PSAs capabilities, I'd say the Sport is probably the most accurate carbine length rifle I've had the pleasure to use right outta the box.
Marine, what is your extensive use of chrome lined barrels? Accuracy? Between those you listed, based on my research and my experiences, I'd take the Sport over the WW.
Quentin
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Well I'm a "Colt/BCM/DD boy" but do think the Sport is a great choice for a rock bottom price AR. Also, I wouldn't consider any others in the ultra-low price range. I do have a S&W M&P-15 lower receiver and they do a nice job, great finish and a nicely flared magwell. I assume the Sport lower is similar except for its integrated trigger guard.
However I recently bought a PSA upper and can recommend it highly. I wouldn't call it MORE than milspec but with its FN barrel and BCG (probably FN BCG, they aren't allowed to say at this time) it's solidly milspec unlike the Sport and many other ARs. It compares well with my DD and BCM (though I don't have a PSA BCG as they were out of stock, so I went with BCM).
However I recently bought a PSA upper and can recommend it highly. I wouldn't call it MORE than milspec but with its FN barrel and BCG (probably FN BCG, they aren't allowed to say at this time) it's solidly milspec unlike the Sport and many other ARs. It compares well with my DD and BCM (though I don't have a PSA BCG as they were out of stock, so I went with BCM).
meanmrmustard
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I meant "more" as in it has features I find superior, namely the FF tube and sights. I meant no disrespect by naming those three manufacturers, wasn't a jab at the brands. Purists usually associate those three brands with the platform. Of the three, me choosing, I'd prefer BCM over the others. Weapons made by those who've used them, can't beat that.
You're right, I wouldn't recommend any other AR whole heartedly in the same price bracket as I would the Sport. Not to say others are bad, but I only stand behind the capabilities of the Sport. But, that PSA is a sweet number, and I feel a lil silly to have abandoned the WW so easily. But, it's not what I'm looking for.
meanmrmustard
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Absolutely not! I run rain or shine and have the land to do it. Cold weather is hard on ARs, MO winters in Jan/Feb is the perfect test ground for failure.glad you found something you like! i'm sure you'll be plenty satisfied with the psa. be sure and post a range report when it arrives. it may be december and cold, but that's no excuse.
meanmrmustard
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Colts not an option. I've specified this.
OilyPablo
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Apparently the whole thread was not read
My buddy has a PSA middy. I have two words: Exceptional value. And it's the reason I bought my 6.8 middy upper from PSA.
I do have a question: I know it's $400 over your range, but what are your thoughts on the Daniel Defense?
My buddy has a PSA middy. I have two words: Exceptional value. And it's the reason I bought my 6.8 middy upper from PSA.
I do have a question: I know it's $400 over your range, but what are your thoughts on the Daniel Defense?
meanmrmustard
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I've no experience with that rifle. Fill me in.Apparently the whole thread was not read
My buddy has a PSA middy. I have two words: Exceptional value. And it's the reason I bought my 6.8 middy upper from PSA.
I do have a question: I know it's $400 over your range, but what are your thoughts on the Daniel Defense?
I'm looking at a light profile middy 556 upper from PSA for $299. Slap a BCM gunfighter and auto BCG, buy lower locally. That'd be an option too. I can Frakenstein a rifle with quality stuff under my original spending cap.
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Quentin
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I really don't hate the WW but corners have been cut and it's so new it doesn't have a long track record. Buying one would be like electing a President we know almost nothing about. Oh wait, we did that.
PSA hasn't been around that much longer but they are much more up front publishing detailed specs and they do use FN barrels and probably much more since FN is local to them. Comparing their upper to BCM and DD, I'd say they measure up.
The Sport really is a great buy when you can find them for $600. Myself, I'd kick in a little more and at least jump to PSA.
Quentin
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That's exactly what I did (buy uppers to put on my lowers built up from a stripped receiver) using a DD upper, then a BCM upper and recently a PSA upper. Each was a 16" midlength, the DD is a CHF pencil profile, the BCM is a button rifled pencil profile and the PSA is a button rifled government profile. The DD got a DD BCG, BCM got BCM and the PSA got BCM (since the PSA BCG was out of stock when I ordered). Honestly they all are excellent so I'd have to say PSA is a steal at the prices they go for.
Of my uppers the Daniel Defense would be my favorite but as you said their complete rifles cost more. Of course you get a rail and hammer forged barrel so would have to add that to BCM or PSA to compare fairly. I bought my DD upper stripped (without rail or BCG/CH) two years ago from Smartgunner.com so my cost was very low, $380 then I added the DD BCG, BCM charging handle and MOE handguards to keep it KISS.
Configured the same, the differences between DD, BCM and PSA are hard to quantify. I'm glad I own all three but as it turned out I would say you could buy PSA and save the money. Performance-wise they should be the same (again, PSA is a new kid and my experience is only from one sample of each which honestly means very little - who knows what another sample would be like...)
meanmrmustard
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I'm thinking about piecing the rifle together.
PSA upper
BCM FA BCG
BCM large latch Gunfighter
Magpul rear MBUS
I'm undecided on a lower...
PSA upper
BCM FA BCG
BCM large latch Gunfighter
Magpul rear MBUS
I'm undecided on a lower...
I would find a del-ton midlength upper and put it on top of a aero precision lower built with a stag lpk and geissele SSA-E trigger. I would avoid the PSA stock kit and get a stag tube and CTR stock. That way you know you are going to have a good shoulder to capture your buffer detent unlike one of mine. For optics I would probly just stick a Leupold VX2 3X9 on there and a good sling.
sturmgewehr
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I just bought another Windham rifle. They are very good rifles, especially at their price point. I now have 3 of them and the quality is consistent.
I got my Windham MPC at a gun store here in VA last Feb for $785. I'm happy with it. Shoots about 1 minute of angle for me and seems well finished. I like the Windham story. They are also doing business with the law enforcement community too. I think it would be a dependable weapon.
Infidel4life11
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Mustard, You can pick up a PSA blemished lower for under $60 and some other quality lowers (Spike's, PSA) off gunbroker for $100 give or take $20
marine 97-03
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why not go with a m&p lower....great lowers.....and they look great with that M&P logo on the mag well...
meanmrmustard
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Due to circumstances, mainly the fiancé wanting a new range toy, the build isn't happening. I'm just going to buy two guns at the same time. I'm going to give Colt a second chance.
OilyPablo
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Re: the Daniel Defense middy
Nothing mystical. Just the standard. When I touched and listed and contemplated everything came back to the Daniel Defense. Once I decided and bought the DD, I KNEW I had made a great decision. Even if you don't buy one, get to a dealer who carries them for a point of reference. Frankly the DD is better than the lower end Noveske products.
Nothing mystical. Just the standard. When I touched and listed and contemplated everything came back to the Daniel Defense. Once I decided and bought the DD, I KNEW I had made a great decision. Even if you don't buy one, get to a dealer who carries them for a point of reference. Frankly the DD is better than the lower end Noveske products.
Infidel4life11
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I'm a huge fan of the DDv7. It's on the "have to buy list".
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