Would you date an anti-gun liberal?

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I married a woman who will probably never see eye to eye with me about guns.

The four things that mattered most to me about her:

  1. Incredible mom.
  2. Emotionally responsible - I don't get blamed for how she's feeling.
  3. Heck of a lot of fun to be with.
  4. Independent as all get out - intellectually, emotionally, and financially.
    I value independence.
    With kids and homeschooling the financial picture had gotten more complicated.
    But she knows and I know that she has the ability to be fully self-supporting.
    She wants to be married to me, she doesn't need to be married to me.

Her politics and attitudes towards guns couldn't have been less important.

I thank G-d every day for her. That's not a joke or an exaggeration - it's the truth.

That's my experience.

Mike
 
It's important to know yourself before you can make a decision like this about including someone in your life. If you believe that an individual's right to self defense shall not be infringed, that's a criterion by which to judge anyone who might enter your life. It's no different than believing in God, or believing that smoking is bad for you. If you believe in God, you probably won't date an atheist. If you believe smoking is bad for you, you probably won't date a smoker. So by extension, you probably ought not date an anti-gunner, liberal or other.
 
I would not. But not just b/c they are anti-gun which would be enough. I could not tolerate a man who was anti-gun. But a liberal who is anti-gun would be way too liberal for me on other things that it would just not be any fun.
 
The answer I'd give about my choice, and the advice I'd give others (if asked) would be the same:

Dating anti-gunners is fine, because it's easy to mistake a superficial anti-gun attitude for a deep-seated anti-gun philosophy. Part of what dating is about* is getting a sense of the other person's values, and seeing which ones are fixed and which aren't. Do you want to live (or reproduce!) with someone who lives in a different moral universe?

A lot of anti-gunners are that way because they only thing they know about guns come from Hollywood movies. Hunters aren't portrayed much in movies; civilians who try to defend themselves tend to be really ineffectual, unless they happen to have been an ex-Navy SEAL (always a SEAL; apparently moviegoers haven't heard of Force Recon, Airborne Rangers, or a couple other folks who know a thing or two about fighting.) Everyone who can do anything useful with a gun is always a criminal or a government employee - and the things they can do are often laughably unrealistic. (The press doesn't help either but I'm getting off-topic.)

Just being around people they know to own guns - without necessarily even discussing them - is enough to at least start to melt the ice with some people. My fiance is no longer anti-gun (nor does she show any interest in learning to shoot; she's already got like 500 hobbies!)

If, after some dating and quality time spent learning about values, you find the person you're seeing is seriously committed to the policy that guns belong only in the hands of the government, and anyone who doesn't get their paycheck from the taxpayer should never ever even think such scary thoughts, then move on. Make your position clear; no need to have any bad blood. You're not just dealing with sticks that go bang here - the person's entire attitude toward individual responsibility is in question.

I have been very close friends with a lot of leftists. A lot of them are kind-hearted, smart, peace-loving people, but they all have messed-up ideas about individual responsibility. They very commonly "trade emotions" - apologizing to you when you mess up, demanding apologies when they feel guilty, etc. It's the emotional, interpersonal equivalent of gun control.

They also tend to be opposed, or at least weirded out, by the concept of home schooling. Same exact reason: if the state isn't involved, they're just plain uncomfortable. Wherever shall we get our legitimacy through a practice that is *gasp* free and voluntary? (Obviously not all or most gun-owners school their kids at home, but I've never seen a gun-owner oppose the practice.)

Leftists are not worth hating but they are worth being wary of. If you have a cigarette around a leftist trying to quit smoking, don't be surprised if they join you and then blame you later for "tempting" them - it takes a village to do ANYTHING these days.

* in my case, anyway. For some people, pure fun is enough, but that's not me.
 
#1 - she must be clinically sane. That means she's no on meds for being bi-polar, depressed, etc.

It's been my experience that folks ON MEDS aren't a problem for anyone. They have a medical problem, and are dealing with it.
I wouldn't be surprised if you know someone on meds. It's a lot more common than you would think.
It's the ones that have a problem, and refuse treatment that will cause you grief.
Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.
 
She knew who I was (the opposing groups were on different sides of the room), and for some reason I asked her what, in terms of gun control, would make her happy. Her pretty face distorted and her response was, "I won't be happy until every one of you gun freaks is shot dead and the gutters run with your blood!" I gave up on the candlelight dinner idea.

Jim

what about the pillow talk? ...

I married one and have her slowly coming around. teaching common sense is a big pain in the rear
 
Not in a million years. My first, and likely only, marriage was a nightmare on a hundred different levels, and if the experience taught me anything, it's that I am perfectly happy being single and unattached. To become coupled and attached, that girl is going to need to have several ducks in a row, to include pro 2A views.

Look, it's not that I am a great catch, but I really would rather die alone than go through another emotional wringer like my last one. Having to grow with someone is part of any relationship, but there are certain things that I already want planted, you know?
 
No, I would not.

Woman told me on our first date that no guns would ever be in her house. I told her I'd never cross her threshhold. I never did.
 
Not in a million years. My first, and likely only, marriage was a nightmare on a hundred different levels, and if the experience taught me anything, it's that I am perfectly happy being single and unattached.

Yes! YES!!! Let yourself be freed, singing cheerfully, engulfed in greed, living happily!
 
I grew up "nonpolitical". Then I spent seven years in the infantry. After that period of time, I began working for a nonprofit group on water protection issues. The end result was basically another "gun totin' liberal, although, lately, I feel less kindred with either "side" and I find "independent" more to my liking.

Living from a duffel bag for so long, I chose to not own weapons for the sake of simplicity and security. After buying a house in '99, having been with my then girlfriend for a few years, I bought a handgun for home defense. Shortly thereafter, we married and a few months later, I picked up a shotgun and my wife commented on her discomfort with these "dangerous" items being in the house. Rather than assume the defensive, I managed to open some discussion with her and found that, although she was leaning towards anti-, her greater concern was security of the weapons, since we live "in town" and in the "less desirable" part of town.

I did some research and found a good deal on a used Amsec safe and the main problem was solved. My wife still does not shoot or personally exercise her 2A rights, but she accepts the fact that the Keltec is within easy reach when I sleep and the Fedex guy delivers crates of surplus ammo occasionally. She even helped "talk me into" a rifle purchase recently when I was debating an antique "unissued" Finnish M39 going for more than I was hoping to spend.

We still butt heads over a number of things, but mutual tolerance has kept us happily married for almost 8 years. Now, my first marriage of seven months.... well, that doesn't belong on the High Road.
 
No, not anti-gun or anti- motorcycle either.

Anti-gun is more of an attitude IMHO. It tells a lot about what is going on inside.

Anti-motorcycle just shows me that she is a lot smarter than me.:)
 
Looks like guns are religion to most of you. I have seen more people say they would date a non-(fill in the blank religion) on other boards they would date an non-gun lover. Why do you think that is?
 
In a healthy relationship, opposing viewpoints on things are not really important in deciding a would-be-spouse (as long as they are for rational reasons). An anti-gunner is only against guns because of an irrational fear towards them-knowledge and open discussion can change this, if the said anti is willing to do so and is not burying their head in the sand. If that's the case there are other mental health issues that would cause the relationship to fail anyways.

Different viewpoints are not a problem; a closed mind is. That goes for any subject.
 
Nope. My wife won't let me. :neener:

Oh...you mean if I were not a married man. :rolleyes:

No, if I were a single man, I would not date an "anti".
 
Looks like guns are religion to most of you. I have seen more people say they would date a non-(fill in the blank religion) on other boards they would date an non-gun lover. Why do you think that is?


Somewhat.

I am Protestant. My first wife was Catholic. I've dated an Islamic woman, a Jewish woman, and 2 or 3 who were Wiccans. And then there are those who simply were not religious at all.

Honestly, I never had any frictions with religion. It was always other issues that blew up like a Roman Candle for me.


-- John
 
Yeah she's young and hot...seriously though, I'm finding out that's not all that important. I'd rather date an average girl that shares my same views.
you answered it yourself
 
Dump her

Gently, but dump her nonetheless. Be kind, but explain that you have different core beliefs which cannot be resolved.

Being anti-gun is no different than if you wanted children and she hated kids. It is indicative of a core personality flaw. That you are even asking the question indicates that you know you should get rid of her.

As a direct answer to the question, no, i would not date an anti-gun liberal. In fact, I have always made sure the issue was brought up before the relationship progressed to a more intimate stage.

Current girlfriend is the only one i never asked. Didnt have to. When i picked her up for the first date, just happened to notice a Ruger Redhawk and an S&W 629 sitting on the kitchen table mid-cleaning. :D
 
To me, this question is as hard to answer as, "would you stick your hand on a set bear trap?" Or, "would you walk out into traffic on a busy highway?"

Maybe the trap will malfunction and NOT sever your hand, maybe all the vehicles will dodge you. IE, Maybe things will turn out okay, but probably NOT!

If you try to convert her, it's a good thing. But given the risk of failure (and misery for you down the road), it's not worth it to me, IMO.

For fear of losing my rights due to an unjust restraining order, I'd be VERY careful about even doing the 'one night fling' with one (unless she had NO idea I was a 'gun guy' and would likely NEVER find out! )
 
I got in on this one late, amazing question and responses.
Seems to me if you asked the question you already made up your mind and you are looking for some validation before you send her on the way.
Just do it, buy yourself a new gun and forget it, look to the future, life is great.
 
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