Would you ever vote Democrat?

Would you be willing to vote Democrat if they dropped their gun control plank?

  • Yes

    Votes: 155 47.5%

  • No

    Votes: 171 52.5%
  • Total voters
    326
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jnojr

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I know that the gut tendency is to scream "Hell, no!", but... seriously, look at what we have today. Big government, no matter who's in charge. Higher taxes, no matter who's in charge. A Republican party that has no problem trampling all over the idea of privacy and individual liberty in the name of "The War on Terror".

So, let's say the Democrats give up on gun control as a party plank. Would you be willing to vote for a Democrat either as a protest vote, or just because you're sick of Republican lies?
 
I vote my interests.

My vote is not:

1. A pointless symbol.
2. A joke.
3. A way to get back at someone.

If the Republican represents my interests better than a Democrat, even a little, I'll vote for him/her.

So far, it's not even close, at least here in California.

For example, Harry Reid just added an amendment to a bill, to require all bloggers with 500 or more readers to REGISTER with the Federal Government or face criminal charges!

All 48 Republicans present in the Senate that day voted against it. Democrats? 7 against, 43 in favor.

Now WHO wants to squelch free speech?
 
I used to be a registered Democrat, but went independent. I was never a team player and I refuse to align with any group that has the answer before the question is asked. We live in a polarized world manipulated by fear. We are becoming sheep. Both parties play the card that they know will activate the herd. I know; I live in NJ. Using our middle finger separates us from the other animals. Use it often and don't discriminate between parties. Hence my sig line...
 
Well, I did vote for yes, because most of my personal ideals do tend to be more Democrat supported.. with the one HUGE exception of gun control of course. What I would have liked to see on this poll though would have been an option for "I still won't vote for either one", because really I'm still voting Libertarian either way.
 
Guns are neither the first nor only issue in my life. I've voted for Democrats before (generally split my votes amongst the Greens and Libertarians) and I'll vote for them again if their issues line up with me well enough.

Republican politicians, on the other hand... I don't care if they're handing out free ammo, no way in hell.
 
Praytell, hex, what Libertarian ideals do the Democrats support?

(Note that sometimes, the Republican and Democrat positions might be opposite each other, but neither party takes the side of individual liberty.)
 
I'm a registered independent. I used to be a Democrat.

I cannot be either a Democrat or a Republican, since I do not desire to ban guns OR abortion.

I have NO party loyalty. I vote for whoever best represents my values.

Here in Ohio, we went from an anti-gun Republican governor to a [allegedly] pro-gun Democrat. We went from an anti-gun NRA F rated Republican senator to an anti-gun NRA D- rated Democrat senator.

I don't have the slightest illusion that creatures like Bob Taft and Mike DeWine represent me as a gunowner (or a human being for that matter) any better than Lee Fisher and Howard Metzenbaum.

I'm always tickled when fanatic Republicans tell me I should vote for fanatically anti-gun Republicans instead of fanatically anti-gun Democrats because they'll ban things I don't want banned.

Although I voted for his opponent, I'm prepared to give Gov. Strickland a chance... but only one. The Lt. Gov. is anti-gun filth. I wouldn't vote for him if he ran against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
 
I would never vote Democrat; I would never vote Republican either unless I lived in Ron Paul's district. To my mind, they are just different branches of the same party; the party of expanding government and contracting freedom.
 
My experience thus far is that Arizona Democrats are by and large way, WAY different from their California distant cousins.

Seriously. It ain't even a comparison.

I think BOTH major parties are fragmenting along authoritarian-or-not lines. We see it in the GOP as a split between conservative and "libertarian" oriented factions, most visible in whether or not the "religious right" is involved. Over among the Dems, something similar is going on but it's not as clearly labeled. With nothing equivelent to the religious right, there's less of a *visible* fault line but no joke, it's there.

Think Zell Miller and DiFi are cut from the same cloth?
 
I see the GOP split as between the (failed) neocons, the intrusive theocrats, and the last endangered Goldwater conservatives. Three ways, or more.

I see the Dem split as between OLD-style Democrats, the sort that used to exist long ago, the sorts like John Tester and Bill Richardson, and the remnant-of-hippies fanatical leftists.

Which way which will go remains to be seen.

Imagine a Congress of JFK-and-before Democrats and Goldwater conservative Republicans, balanced, with platforms based on logic and nationbuilding balanced against fiscal restraint.
Be a nice dream, there...
 
The Lt. Gov. is anti-gun filth. I wouldn't vote for him if he ran against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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Truly, I can't think of a Democrat I've had the opportunity to vote against here in California that didn't fit that statement.

That's why I can't picture voting Democrat. The D by their name doesn't matter to me. If the candidate is somewhat better than Ahmadinejad, I'd consider it.

Abortion is an example, though, of where neither party represents a libertarian position.

Republicans (some state organizations, anyway) want to ban abortion-on-demand. While this ostensibly protects the rights of the unborn individual (a valid point, actually), they also oppose the "morning after pill", and they don't take the rights of an adult woman into account, even when the "baby" is a ball of cells. That makes no sense from a libertarian perspective; it's simply an outgrowth of a religious belief.

Democrats (at least the pro-choice mainstream of the party), fight against ANY attempt to consider the rights of an unborn child, even a viable baby. They also support forcing the large segment of the country that has a strong religious/moral belief that abortion is wrong to PAY for abortions through Federal tax collection. That doesn't add up, either, from an individual-rights view.

Sometimes, neither side represents my view.
 
I voted 'No' based on the wording of the question: "Would you be willing to vote Democrat if they dropped their gun control plank?"

The Dems would have to radically change their positions on many issues before I would vote for them They are Socialists, first and foremost. Sadly, the Repubs are catching them.

So that leaves everyone else. I am registered as a Libertarian, but I vote for individuals, not political parties.
 
Lieberman is now an "Independent Who Caucuses with the Democrats." They kicked him to the curb, though his state kicked him back into Congress.

Says something about the Democrats.
 
I voted no because it's an ambiguous question. I wouldn't vote for one in a general election, but I have voted for one in a primary. Heck, I once voted for a Nazi in a primary (he was running against a Democrat incumbent).
 
I will never vote for Democrats on a national level because of more than just their views on guns. I do not like how Democrats tax you to death, and I cannot and will not support abortion. I believe that even though it's just a ball of cells, it is inherently human and if naturally allowed to do so, it will develop into a self-sufficient being. Now before you cite my screen name and sig, I believed this before I was a Christian.

I lean rebublican (old-style) on tax policy and abortion stance (in most cases), lean Democrat on social welfare, and am pretty much libertarian on everything else. These are just my views and my opinions, you guys have yours, and I completely respect that.

I voted on the poll that I would never vote Democrat because the poll responses were somewhat limited. While I would not vote Democrat on the national level, I would vote Democrat on the state level because most West Virginian Democrats are pro-gun (allegedly), to not be so would be political suicide here. From their campaigns, they usually promise to lower taxes.
 
Genuinely dropping gun control as a party plank, as they say, "would be a good first step".

Institutionally, they are in the thrall of the collectivist Left, and until that changes, hell no.
 
I don't even like voting GOP but I don't have a better choice as a libertarian vote just goes down the pooper...
 
I've voted democratic before even for anti candidates for various reasons. I'm not a fan of either major party and would welcome either one to earn my vote by showing they truly want people to be free and not just push their respective values down my throat.
 
Lieberman is now an "Independent Who Caucuses with the Democrats." They kicked him to the curb, though his state kicked him back into Congress.

Says something about the Democrats.
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Actually, it says something about the Republicans - they were so weak in that race, they voted for Lieberman rather than their own candidate.




Institutionally, they are in the thrall of the collectivist Left, and until that changes, hell no.
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What in God's name does that even mean? The modern Democratic base was (most especially since the Dixiecrats jumped ship) the party of organized labor, minority/womens' rights, a less hawkish foreign policy (which isn't saying much), and most generally (in terms of government services and taxation) a party of the working- and lower-middle class. That, which you'd undoubtedly and incoherently characterize as "the collectivist Left," was (and may perhaps be again) the Democratic Party. Were your statement true, they would be "in thrall" to the modern history and heart of their party. You might as well just say "I'd never vote for a Democrat (except for Dixiecrats)" rather than throw out qualifiers.

What's strange about your statement is that the Democrats have, unquestionably, moved 'right' on economic and labor issues over the last 20 years. Have you heard of the DLC?
 
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