Would you ever vote Democrat?

Would you be willing to vote Democrat if they dropped their gun control plank?

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    Votes: 155 47.5%

  • No

    Votes: 171 52.5%
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No I would not vote Democrat, But I wouldn't vote Republican either. I think the problem is not one or the other it is both. Worse than the fact that they (Rep's and Dem's) don't get it, is the fact that most of the Voting populace dosen't get it either.
We don't need an armed revolution, We need voters to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee. If you continue to do the same thing and expect different results you are expecting the illogical. Neither the Rep's or the Dem's are going to change so vote for a Libertarian or an Independant. Anything and I mean Anything has got to be better than status quo.
 
Go here and get this PDF

http://www.dnc.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

Its the OFFICIAL PLATFORM of the party.

I don't care how pro-gun an individual Democrat may be, they are still beholden to the platform (page 18...well the PDF page 22. paragraph 4).


Aside from gun rights, I'm a laissez-faire, free market capitalist and small "l" libertarian so there is absolutely no reason for me to ever vote for a D.
 
What in God's name does that even mean? The modern Democratic base was (most especially since the Dixiecrats jumped ship) the party of organized labor, minority/womens' rights, a less hawkish foreign policy (which isn't saying much), and most generally (in terms of government services and taxation) a party of the working- and lower-middle class. That, which you'd undoubtedly and incoherently characterize as "the collectivist Left," was (and may perhaps be again) the Democratic Party. Were your statement true, they would be "in thrall" to the modern history and heart of their party. You might as well just say "I'd never vote for a Democrat (except for Dixiecrats)" rather than throw out qualifiers.
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You write that "paragraph" and you're calling someone ELSE "incoherent"?:rolleyes:

Go ahead and keep splitting your vote between the Pop-Ecology/Communist Party and the Objectivist/Social-Darwinist Party, I guess. But ain't nothin' "coherent" here...
 
I vote for the individual normally. But a new Senator or Congressman will have to vote with the party that helped get him/her elected. At this moment in time, with all things being equal and a freshman senator or congressman, I would probably vote Republican. Things are rarely equal however. The Democratic party history on gun control often tilts my vote Republican.
 
voting for a Democrat

I would vote for a Democrat...right before i voted against him/her:rolleyes:
 
It's interesting to see the diversity of poilitical views on this forum, while maintaining (mostly) a civil discourse. As for myself I would be glad to vote Democrat if they were to change their collective minds and quit trying to make over the US in the style of socialist European nations. That seems unlikely to happen.
The worldview of the average Democrat activist is as foreign to me as that of a Stalinist, neonazi, or islamic extremist. That's not to say they don't mean well or aren't nice enough people, just that they look at the world from a completely different perspective. I will do my duty as an American and vote for the candidate that most closely represents my views, and at this point in time that means almost always GOP. Beyond that I just want to live my life, raise my family, and not stress too much about politics.
 
Heck, I'll play. I was once a Democrat and my father and grandfather were always Democrats. I voted no, but now that I think about it, I do occasionally vote for local Democrats. Somehow, once those people move to statewide or national office, they get sucked in by the various leftwing special interests.

If the Democrats ever return to their roots, that being conservatives who distrusted large govt but also didn't cowtow to big business, I'd consider them. In other words the party of John Kennedy (conservative on defense and taxes) or Ronald Reagan (before he abandoned the party) instead of the party of Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Clinton (the 39th and 42nd President).

Right now, I'd have trouible voting for any Democrat because until there is a large block of conservatives, I assume that any Democrat vote is just a vote for Pelosi and those like her. No thanks.

Banning handguns from law abiding citizens far from the only perversion that keeps me from ever voting Democrat.
 
The last local election here in VA had me voting for an Independent Governor, a Republican Lt. Gov, a Democratic Atty General (lost by 300 votes, Conservative Democrat), and Independent House member....

For the Presidential election, I followed Louis Black's advice and voted for the lesser pile of $***.
 
Guns are AN issue, not THE issue.

I lean very right of the DNC, I vote mostly Rep and Independent. I've voted for good local Dems, but they are far removed from the party power seat in D.C. Guns are not the only issue I vote on, the Dems tend to violate my sensibilities on many fronts.
 
I have in the past and likely will in the future. I vote for the person, not the party. Being another Buckeye, I am totally fed up with Republicans in this state.
And actually, Dubya isn't at the top of my list either. I think that Ohio Republicans grew accustomed to viewing themselves favorably against miserable opponents such as Dennis Kusinich, rather than representing me. Sometimes, I think the best message we can send to all politicians, is that they better get busy, because they will not be around long.
 
Sure, if they were utterly conservative and rode in on a flying pig... but I repeat myself.
 
I'd never vote for a Democrat (except for Dixiecrats)"
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that about describes me. i am the first memebr of my family to not register as a Democrat. my parents and grandparents were at one point in time all registered Democrats, but they have all since switched parties so they can vote in the primaries.
i could vote for them at the state and local level but i dout i could vote for them at the national level.

i could never vote for a pro-abortion candidate, so that automatically eliminates any Democrat that would run at the national level
 
Yes

Yes, I often vote for Democrats. Gun control is only one of many issues. I do not like many of the platforms that the Democrats believe in, and I like some of the platforms that the Republicans believe in, but in most instances, Democrats are more pro-environmental than Republicans. I believe in the protection of natural and cultural (historical) resources and Republicans just sometimes DON"T get it.

I find Clinton's getting a BJ in the whitehouse much less offensive than GWB killing off nearly 3,000 of our young soldiers.

Todd
 
unfortunately neither the republican nor democratic parties represent a large number of americans, me included. While I am disgusted at the attempts to Caliform MD and national gun laws I do not like legislation with a side of jesus either. I try to research as best as I can on what views can be deciphered from candidates voting records, and vote for the lesser of the evils.
 
You write that "paragraph" and you're calling someone ELSE "incoherent"?
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Yes. The inability of some activists (be they firearms enthusiasts or other) to describe those they see as the 'other side' in anything but inaccurate (and oftentimes bizarre) pejoratives is crippling American democracy. (nb: this is not the same thing as centrism and 'can't we all get along')

You can disagree with the DNC platform without resorting to name-calling. They aren't socialists, they aren't Leninists, they aren't one step from jihadists. Hillary Clinton is neither the anti-Christ nor the female reincarnation of Leon Trotsky. Barack Obama wasn't secretly educated in an al-Qaeda recruitment camp.

(Conversely, George Bush isn't a fascist and Dick Cheney isn't secretly one of those lizard-aliens from V.)

The language of politics is important.
 
I see that Mayor Bloomberg is considering running for president on the Republican ticket; he says he is willing to spend $500 million to $1 billion of his own money to buy (maybe he said "attain") the office.

If he is on the Republican ticket and Hilary is on the Democratic ticket, Hilary will get my vote.

Jim
 
no, no, and heck no. Gun owners MUST learn there is more to freedom than just owning firearms!

one of those freedoms is the freedom to do with our own money that we earned what we see fit and not have it taken from us and given to someone else for the sake of equality or whatever.

the big reason dems clame to be for "the poor" or the "working class" is because they rob and fiscally rape those more succesful and then give it to those "poor"

on top of that they have no understanding of economics and its impact on quality of life for a society
 
Friends and family have asked me why I left the Democratic Party and I tell them I didn't, the Democratic Party left me. This is not the party of JFK. This is the party of Teddy K. and company. I have lived in California all my life and for the past several years, I have had to live with the utter foolishness, arrogance, and hypocrisy that grows from that party at an exponentially increasing pace not to mention the outright lies they propagate through the press and the education establishments. I may not be completely enthralled with the Republicans either, however, I view politics the same way I view warfare. When faced with a decision that has to be made, you don't always have a choice between
good and bad. Often the choice is between bad and worse. When I go to vote, I try to be informed on the issues and the candidates and try to vote for people who seem to reflect my values as best as I can determine. That requires some critical thinking. Too many people today blindly vote their party. Too many people today accept the massaged news that the mainstream media uses to form public opinion. People used to call me paranoid around here for saying that but they don't now. When they pull that crap on me now I ask them if they can spell D-A-N____R-A-T-H-E-R.....:cuss: As proof of my media accusations, consider that a large percentage (if not a majority) of Americans believe the President "lied" to get us into Iraq. Guess what, to date I don't believe one scintilla of evidence has surfaced supporting that assertion. So why do people believe it? Because shameless Democrats and there bedfellows in the press have been repeating it over and over and over to the point that people now just accept it as fact. Back in the 60's they had a term for it, "Brainwashing.":banghead:
 
Federal, State, or Local.

At the Federal level - hell no. Not with Schumer, Feinstein, Kennedy, Dodd, and the like controlling the committees. That's where the real power lies. From a 2a standpoint, it's currently insane to vote Democrat on a federal level. The party platform can say anything, but those individuals like Schumer rule the roost.

State and local is different, but my anti big government stance won't let me vote Democrat here either. Republicans need a lot of improvement, but dems are worse.
 
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