This is where I think most people are mistaken. IMHO all the guns we're talking about here are better suited for IWB concealed carry and not pocket carry. For true pocket carry, even the PM9 is too large for me. An extra quarter inch of length or a couple of extra ounces isn't going to be a deal breaker when carried IWB w/ a proper holster and gun belt. All that matters is that the gun is THIN, which all of the guns being discussed here are. They are all right around .90" thick from top to bottom if you ignore control lever thickness. Basically, what I'm saying is that a PM9 and a XDs are going to carry exactly the same when carried IWB. Pocket carry is a different story and I can understand wanting the absolute smallest gun out there, but again, I don't think these guns are intended for pocket carry. Pistols like the Ruger LCP, R9, etc would make for a better pocket gun.