You can have only One Rifle, which one do you pick?

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If I had $25,001 to spend (which is $25,000 more than I have) I'd get an M-16 (full-auto) with a 16-inch upper, suppressor, and 40mm grenade launcher and 12-gauge pump-gun attachments mounted under the barrel. I actually saw a 4-shot 12 gauge attachment in a military book. Very COOL :cool:

Would the attachments be considered cheating?:evil:
 
H2O,

I find many of your M1A types abominations, but that's actually a utilitarian-looking piece. Does look muzzle-heavy, though.

TJ, I REALLY hope you're joking. No-one with good sense wants to port a cumbersome 17-lb rifle/shotgun/grenade launcher, when a 8-lb, smooth-handling piece will work better.

John
 
JShirley H2O,

I find many of your M1A types abominations, but that's actually a utilitarian-looking piece. Does look muzzle-heavy, though.

J, thanks for the back doored compliment.

I keep myself in shape and don't find any of my utilitarian M14s to be heavy.
However, all of them are a little nose heavy when I have the sound suppressor installed.
 
Torn between a Marlin in 30-30 or an AK-47.

Depends on the SHTF scenario. If I just need it for hunting I go 30-30 lever. If I need it for defense as well, AK.
 
Yeah, I wasn't complaining about potential overall weight (carrying a 60mm mortar around, with bipod and M8 attached, will make even an EBR feel light). The balance just looks very much towards the front.

And I really don't hate the M14. I think a lot of people just want the platform to be something it's not: that rifle looks useful.

John
 
Colt 6920 or 6940. reliable, easy to find ammo, can take down anything I would need to take down for defense or food.
 
Either a Remington 700P or M1A whitefeather.

Top it off with a Leopold scope and the BORIS system, Harris Bipod and I'm all set.
 
The M-4 with a 203MM attached to it would be my first choice as well if social order failed and it was everyman for himself.

If it was just me dropping off the face of the earth. A Savage 24 22/20 gauge would do nicely.
 
My favorite rifle for the last 4-5 years has been my Marlin 357 lever action. I can load it down to do the work of a 22 and with enough power to kill an elk. I have more bullet moulds, jacketed bullets and brass for this gun than any other.

Cowboys did very well with lever actions against indians and bad men during the 1800s. I am not as concerned with self defense as i am in hunting for food.

For the claim about killing elk Ross Seyfeid did an article on medium bore SS black powder rifles and used a 36 caliber gun with a 160gr bullet at 1600fps to kill a cow elk with one shot. He also got total pentration. That performance is right with a 357 rifle.

If I couldn't have the 357 then a bolt action 22, 22mag or a 30-30 lever action would be my next choices.
 
In what situation is a 7.62x39 lacking as opposed to a .223??? I will always take a .30 caliber over a .22 in any situation. Drag your M1A or AR through some mud or lose your oil bottle/cleaning kit, and you end up with a club.
Ever dope x39 out to 600 yards? Not easy and I'm sure it would get a bit harder if the other end of the range was shooting back. I don't mean to say it doesn't have its uses and in many situations that it does better than the .223, just that not everyone shoots from 20 feet away through 6 cinder blocks. If I'm moving up to 7.62 it might as well be all the way to either .308 or .30-06. What does the x39 do that the x51 doesn't do better? x39 uses fat short bullets in front of a fairly small case capacity. It makes for a hell of an up close round and not a bad one out a couple hundred yards but it is far from the be all end all that some make it out to be. Some people may not care about more than 200 yards but I've got a ton of flat fields all around me. I want something that holds a little better down range.

Drag that Ak through the same mud pit and its just as much of a club. Please. Its a great rifle but its not something that defies physics. Get a bit of that mud down the bore and let a mag off before cleaning and see how well any rifle does. An obstruction is going to turn either barrel inside out if you lost that cleaning kit. Maybe the AK works a little better in the sand but I don't have any sand in sight so its a worthless argument to me.
 
That's kind of silly. Why would you pick a firearm that only holds 8 rounds, cannot be easily single-loaded, and can't fire commercial ammunition?

A good Mauser or sporterized 1917 or 1903 would be a better choice. I have the '03. One day I'll have that nice 1917, too.
 
I can't imagine a situation that would require a 600+ shot in a SHTF scenario with people shooting back. Ever hear of wait to see the whites of their eyes? It may not be necessary to wait that long now-a-days but in reality 90-95% of shooters can't hit anything out that far, because not that many people pratice long range shooting. Plus the .223 doesn't have a whole lot of ompf out at 600+ yards either. Personally, I would opt for my .300 Win mag for that.


No rifle is the end all rifle, but an AK will take a hell of a lot more abuse than an AR, M1A, or a M1 Garand. That's not an opinion, that is a fact. I have all 3 of those rifles and I like all 3 of them, but in a SHTF life or death situation, I will grab my AK. There will be a lot more times when a close in battle where there will be cover and a need for something to punch through it than there will be for some 600+ yard shot.
 
No experience with one so far but the Kel-Tec RFB strikes me as bieng just about the perfect civilian rifle. Compact package, semi-auto, hard-hitting .308, common magazines. Does everything an M1A can do and could be much more versatile. Combine that with a Glock 20 10mm and you have two very modern guns that could handle virtually any situation. Whats not to like?

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JShirley, If ever in NC let me know and will take out my sporterized 17 and we can play. Used an '03 for 15+ yrs deer hunting-hard to beat. Left my auto loaders where they would be safe from the rain, etc. Currently using a Ruger 77 composite in '06 with Bushnell glass. For one shooter--it would have to be the M1A. I used one in the Corps(14) and still like 'em. wc
 
There are several reasons I'd choose a Garand. One, it's thoroughly proven itself. Two, I own one, therefore I don't have to pay $1800+ to get an M14-alike... which is as picky about commercial ammo. However, it's not hard to run commercial... just watch your bullet weight. Yeah, it holds 8 rounds and if need be I can lay down a hail of fire with it because it's loading method is fast. Your Mauser? keep it. I have a 98k, and if I could shoot it fast enough it would make a great shotgun. Piece of three foot group at 100 yard junk. Now that I have a bolt with an extractor, I'll go shoot my 17 Enfield a little more seriously. If it don't shoot, it gets put with the mauser.
 
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