YouTube to Dump Many Gun Videos

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Well, an even worse thing to think about, with net neutrality gone it’s prefectly legal for ISPs to throttle or block pro gun web sites too!
 
FortuneCookie is the guy who got me into reloading two years ago and he remains one of my favorite channels on youtube. Now not only is he gone, but so too are the Sootch00 videos on how to assemble a stripped AR lower. Even Duelist1954 isn't safe.

If InRangeTV really does begin uploading videos to pornography websites... I may just follow them there and never bother with Youtube again.
your joking right?
 
FortuneCookie is the guy who got me into reloading two years ago and he remains one of my favorite channels on youtube. Now not only is he gone, but so too are the Sootch00 videos on how to assemble a stripped AR lower. Even Duelist1954 isn't safe.

If InRangeTV really does begin uploading videos to pornography websites... I may just follow them there and never bother with Youtube again.


Linked is Fortunecookie45lc with youtube info.
 
Well this is unfortunate. I hope youtube comes to their senses.....

Yet it's ok that some of their most popular videos are rap videos that talk about selling drugs,shooting cops,and degrading women.... Because a video teaching people about firearms or safe handling is just soooooooo much worse....makes alot of sense.......
 
A course of action ''what to do'' would be beneficial about....now.

No youtube contact info? Phone #?
 
A course of action ''what to do'' would be beneficial about....now.
There is one already in motion; move the channel to a provider who will host it. Full30, Bitchute, and even PornHub have stepped up to the plate.

Well, an even worse thing to think about, with net neutrality gone it’s prefectly legal for ISPs to throttle or block pro gun web sites too!
Well, it is practical for them to throttle to the domain level, so killing Full30 would be possible due to its focused content...shutting down PornHub traffic might cause them to lose a lot more customers.

Welcome to the counterculture, errybody!
 
Okay, just to play devil's advocate… Is YouTube a public domain that falls under the First Amendment or is it a private corporation that has the right to decide its course of business? I know that I was outraged over the *ahem* lawsuit that forced a fundamentalist Christian baker to provide a wedding cake for a homosexual couple. Wouldn't that make me just a wee bit hypocritical if I were to condemn YouTube for deciding that certain videos are not within their corporate policy?

There is a company that leases the small bit of our farm ground next to a state highway for a billboard. Part of that lease stipulates there will be no advertising for alcoholic beverages, certain "adult" establishments and establishments that provide abortion services. Is that really any different on the small scale to YouTube restricting content on the large-scale? As I told the company that leased the square of brown for the billboard there is almost 15 miles of state highway between the interstate and the next highway and they were free to contact any of those landowners. During the bakery suit, it was pointed out that the gay couple had many other bakeries to choose from. Perhaps, we should just allow YouTube to provide a niche for another marketer. Who knows, if the new market catches on that company could deny the original a significant amount of income and very possibly make changing their minds the financial benefit. If the new market has enough imagination and innovation, it might even become the new place to go rather than YouTube and a political decision become their financial downfall. Perhaps it's time for us to stop complaining about political statements and make them akin to fishing with dynamite. And as an ancient redneck told me once… The largest danger of fishing with dynamite is the possibility of capsizing your own boat if you don't watch what you are doing.
 
Wouldn't that make me just a wee bit hypocritical if I were to condemn YouTube for deciding that certain videos are not within their corporate policy?
I completely understand and agree. I believe that if YouTube has a policy, they can follow it. They can allow and not allow what they see fit. My problem is that their "policy" is hypocritical. Again, I believe they have the freedom to be hypocrites. And I have the freedom to take my business elsewhere, where my advertising-clicked dollars will go to something that I support.
 
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I completely understand and agree. I believe that if YouTube has a policy, they can follow it. They can allow and not allow what they see fit. My problem is that their "policy" is hypocritical. Again, I believe they have the freedom to be hypocrites. And I have the freedom to take my business elsewhere, where my advertising-clicked dollars will go to something that I support.

Yeah… That was kind of my point.
 
They dumped a lot of air gun videos a few weeks back. A lot of input from the air gun community got most of them back.

There are a few air gun posters that literally make their living from the many high quality and informative videos they post and it really cut into a number of people's lives.
 
Air guns? Wow, maybe their algorithms really are dumb enough for Project Mayhem to work (report EVERYTHING with something gun like as innappropriate under the new rules; music videos, movie previews, price scanner instructions, etc)
 
Okay, just to play devil's advocate… Is YouTube a public domain that falls under the First Amendment or is it a private corporation that has the right to decide its course of business? I know that I was outraged over the *ahem* lawsuit that forced a fundamentalist Christian baker to provide a wedding cake for a homosexual couple. Wouldn't that make me just a wee bit hypocritical if I were to condemn YouTube for deciding that certain videos are not within their corporate policy?

There is a company that leases the small bit of our farm ground next to a state highway for a billboard. Part of that lease stipulates there will be no advertising for alcoholic beverages, certain "adult" establishments and establishments that provide abortion services. Is that really any different on the small scale to YouTube restricting content on the large-scale? As I told the company that leased the square of brown for the billboard there is almost 15 miles of state highway between the interstate and the next highway and they were free to contact any of those landowners. During the bakery suit, it was pointed out that the gay couple had many other bakeries to choose from. Perhaps, we should just allow YouTube to provide a niche for another marketer. Who knows, if the new market catches on that company could deny the original a significant amount of income and very possibly make changing their minds the financial benefit. If the new market has enough imagination and innovation, it might even become the new place to go rather than YouTube and a political decision become their financial downfall. Perhaps it's time for us to stop complaining about political statements and make them akin to fishing with dynamite. And as an ancient redneck told me once… The largest danger of fishing with dynamite is the possibility of capsizing your own boat if you don't watch what you are doing.


Speaking of baking a cake for gay weddings, hypocrisy, and to answer your question; no, youtube doesn’t have the right to decide its course of business. I personally believe they should be able to. It’s their business and they should be free to operate and make policy as they see fit. But that changed with the gay wedding cake. We decided as a nation, like it or not, that businesses open to the public will serve the public equally. Youtube should bake my cake. The hypocrisy here isn’t on those of us who support gun channels. The hypocrisy is on youtube. “You can’t have your cake and eat it too” doesn’t apply to youtube?

Is it time to do to youtube/google what was done to ma bell?

Just playing the devil’s advocate.
 
Google, YouTube, E-Bay and PayPal have been selectively censoring content for years. If it doesn't appear, how do you know it should. In my would Pornhub should change their name of offer an alternative way to bookmark gun related videos. I would think there is enough desire for gun related content worldwide to make it profitable for this to be done. Personally, I hate being under the thumb of those guys anyway. This will work out for us and given a little time it could be far better than we thought it was currently.
 
Speaking of baking a cake for gay weddings, hypocrisy, and to answer your question; no, youtube doesn’t have the right to decide its course of business. I personally believe they should be able to. It’s their business and they should be free to operate and make policy as they see fit. But that changed with the gay wedding cake. We decided as a nation, like it or not, that businesses open to the public will serve the public equally. Youtube should bake my cake. The hypocrisy here isn’t on those of us who support gun channels. The hypocrisy is on youtube. “You can’t have your cake and eat it too” doesn’t apply to youtube?

Is it time to do to youtube/google what was done to ma bell?

Just playing the devil’s advocate.

OK, we decided as a nation but YouTube doesn't serve just our nation while the baker was a local business. My understanding is interstate and international business plays by a different rulebook However, I have no idea if YouTube would fall under that umbrella would be up to the courts. Since the hypocrisy is in line with the court's hypocrisy...

"Ma Bell" is a bit before my time so you need to be a bit more specific.
 
Okay, just to play devil's advocate… Is YouTube a public domain that falls under the First Amendment or is it a private corporation that has the right to decide its course of business?

It is much more complicated than that. The Feds have regulations and issues licenses over ownership and uses of the Internet.

YouTube is many ways a monopoly that deserves a look by the Federal Government to break-up. As commented about Ma Bell being broke up.

I know that I was outraged over the *ahem* lawsuit that forced a fundamentalist Christian baker to provide a wedding cake for a homosexual couple. Wouldn't that make me just a wee bit hypocritical if I were to condemn YouTube for deciding that certain videos are not within their corporate policy?

Does the Government issue licenses to make wedding cakes?

Who knows, if the new market catches on that company could deny the original a significant amount of income and very possibly make changing their minds the financial benefit. If the new market has enough imagination and innovation, it might even become the new place to go rather than YouTube and a political decision become their financial downfall. .

The problem is a start-up business such as this requires many multi-millions of dollars requiring investors with very deep pockets in a very high risk business venture with no guarantee of returns of their money.
 
Okay, just to play devil's advocate… Is YouTube a public domain that falls under the First Amendment or is it a private corporation that has the right to decide its course of business? I know that I was outraged over the *ahem* lawsuit that forced a fundamentalist Christian baker to provide a wedding cake for a homosexual couple. Wouldn't that make me just a wee bit hypocritical if I were to condemn YouTube for deciding that certain videos are not within their corporate policy?

There is a company that leases the small bit of our farm ground next to a state highway for a billboard. Part of that lease stipulates there will be no advertising for alcoholic beverages, certain "adult" establishments and establishments that provide abortion services. Is that really any different on the small scale to YouTube restricting content on the large-scale? As I told the company that leased the square of brown for the billboard there is almost 15 miles of state highway between the interstate and the next highway and they were free to contact any of those landowners. During the bakery suit, it was pointed out that the gay couple had many other bakeries to choose from. Perhaps, we should just allow YouTube to provide a niche for another marketer. Who knows, if the new market catches on that company could deny the original a significant amount of income and very possibly make changing their minds the financial benefit. If the new market has enough imagination and innovation, it might even become the new place to go rather than YouTube and a political decision become their financial downfall. Perhaps it's time for us to stop complaining about political statements and make them akin to fishing with dynamite. And as an ancient redneck told me once… The largest danger of fishing with dynamite is the possibility of capsizing your own boat if you don't watch what you are doing.

Imagine, however, that there was only one property owner and no recourse to others, then the restrictions would not appear so friendly. Look up the kindly company store and mining communities sometime.

Most national marketplaces are not easy to enter, especially if it requires a very large amount of capital to enter. In the case of Y-tube, from what I have seen, it does not really make much if any profit as a stand alone product, it is designed to take your information in watching habits, etc. and sell that to advertisers via as is g-mail where they mine your emails for information, and their smart phone/tablets where they sell your location, and so forth. Gxxgle makes so much money on advertising derived from selling your personal data to companies that it supports the googleplex of other services at a loss that serve to feed your information to them.

Even other wealthy companies are reluctant to create competitors as spinning up the expensive infrastructure necessary for video streaming without someway of monetizing "free" services via something similar to gxxgle's adsense service. Since gxxgle was first to do this, a company challenging them on those grounds might not make a profit for years which most public companies cannot do relative to investing money where no such challenge exists. Eventually most monopolies fail in the long run but that can take a very long time. During that time, monopolies (or oligopolies as well) settle in on milking the herd and buying political and media influence to protect their racket for as long as possible.

Monopolies can be regulated by the state as a matter of long settled law--e.g. public utilities cannot refuse you service because of your beliefs or legal practices for obvious reasons. Note, that you could for example generate your own electricity, however should you be forced to do so at great cost because the people in the electric company do not like you. Similarly, as a property owner, your power to lease is restricted by public laws banning discrimination in leasing by race, gender, and other criteria as defined by law.

No one can force you do business but if you engage in it, the the long settled practice has been if you engage in commercial transactions on a regular basis with strangers--the state can indeed set the limits of how you conduct your business and how you treat your employees. You cannot go from general principles of laissez faire and apply them to today's legally restricted market place--the truth that any small business owner will tell you is that they are bound up with all kinds of local, state, and federal regulations including even signage on public roads. Youtube wants to be a tyrant in determining what content may be shown via a service that is used by many people, then they can be regulated through the political process just as your local grocery store can be.

When gxxgle ruled via a better search engine than competitors, producing new services or buying them as in you tube, and so forth, and ruling content with a light hand, then one could make the argument that regulating them would be more harmful than good. A similar argument was made in the day for ATT which for awhile improved the phone industry in the early years in creating a national system.

However, if ATT got into regulating the content of your phone calls, deciding that some people and products were "bad" on their own and refusing telephone numbers to businesses and individuals that displeased them, refusing to allow people to roll out new services that competed with ATT, and so forth, would you accept that?

There is a reason that the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was passed along with the Clayton Act and that the FCC has the power to limit broadcast monopolies and media concentration. In the long run, monopolies are rarely beneficial to the public.
 
the parts I do agree with are already against federal law such as homemade suppressors

You're seriously underestimating the extent of their policy changes..
First, there's no Federal law against homemade suppressors fills out the appropriate application, pays the $200 tax, and waits the 9 months for the paperwork to go through all the channels. If one does this and subsequently films/documents their process, then what's your objection?

it's not the "Youtube to ban all gun videos" that people are shouting right now

1. Intends to sell firearms or certain firearms accessories through direct sales (e.g., private sales by individuals). But one is allowed to sell a car or house this way.
2. ...or links to sites that sell these items. But countless other companies advertise this way.
3. These accessories include but may not be limited to... to essentially anything they want to ban videos of based on their own personal beliefs or because they're easily pushed around by gun control nuts.
4. Provides instructions on manufacturing a firearm, ammunition, high capacity magazine, homemade silencers/suppressors, or certain firearms accessories such as those listed above. So no videos on building ARs or even single shot rifles. No videos on reloading.
5. Shows users how to install the above-mentioned accessories or modifications. No videos even on how to install a standard AR mag (though admittedly, if you need a video on how to do this you should reconsider using an AR)

Those restrictions sound pretty much like an outright ban on most, if not all, gun videos.
 
Don't forget about Twitch. They have a massive audience and the bandwidth to handle it. People like Demolition Ranch have already moved their content over to the site since Youtube started demonetizing gun videos. Movement is slow, since Youtube is a big ship to evacuate, but it will happen. I do believe the rise of Patreon can level the playing field, if we're willing to directly support those content creators we're interested in. This goes for guns, art, making, all of it.
 
The antigunners are learning. First they have to attack the gun culture before they can successfully go after the guns themselves. This YouTube change is just one of many fronts. The goal is to make gun ownership socially toxic. Once gun owners are seen as social pariahs, the legislation will be easy.

I don't see any way to effectively fight back against this strategy. Boycotts will be ineffective and may even backfire.
 
The problem is a start-up business such as this requires many multi-millions of dollars requiring investors with very deep pockets in a very high risk business venture with no guarantee of returns of their money.

Yes, there was a YouTube alternative called VidMe that started in 2014 and shutdown November 2017. Not having enough capital to continue operation was their reason.
 
Speaking of baking a cake for gay weddings, hypocrisy, and to answer your question; no, youtube doesn’t have the right to decide its course of business. I personally believe they should be able to. It’s their business and they should be free to operate and make policy as they see fit. But that changed with the gay wedding cake. We decided as a nation, like it or not, that businesses open to the public will serve the public equally. ...

The Oregon bakery was decided based on State law. Sexual orientation is a protected class in the State of Oregon.
 
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