Zen and CCWs

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Liko81

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I read an article when first starting to become interested in owning a handgun, regarding similarities between CHLs and Samurai. Of particular interest was Zen and the concept of bushido. The article's author was more interested in the force continuum, and that a katana was the signature and most lethal weapon of a samurai but by no means the only one. However, he touched on a point I think is relevant; the true warrior is a paradox.

The true warrior hones his skills until his weapons become a part of him. He learns, and perfects every skill which could help him in combat, from bare-hand fighting to grappling to stealth and concealment to the use of weapons to psychological factors affecting their opponent. The true warrior is, himself, a deadly weapon.

However, the true warrior avoids combat for its own end. The true warrior understands that combat is sometimes necessary to achieve an objective, but that the taking of a human life is a final solution to a problem, and therefore is the last option. The true warrior, in fact, sees combat as distasteful and even horrifying as does anyone else, and shuns the barbarian who enjoys the death and destruction of war. And for the true warrior, there is no higher ideal than to lay aside the sword.

I think, given an ideal world, no-one would carry concealed. The world is, nowever, not ideal, and people carry because they feel they must. Those who carry must therefore embrace the paradox; they must become the weapon (there's the Zen thing), and must be skilled in many forms of combat, in many scenarios, with many weapons. They must be willing, at a moment's notice, to end a life. However, they must also regard violence as the last option, and deadly force as the end of all things. They must use and be the weapon in order to create a world in which weapons are no longer needed.
 
Someone's been watching too many movies. :rolleyes:

I don't carry a gun because of "bushido", "samurai", "Zen", "true warriorhood", "becoming the weapon", "becoming a deadly weapon", etc.

I carry it to protect me and my loved ones. If someone desires to kill me, I will shoot them to stop it.

Guns are just tools. Stop romanticizing and assigning terms and values where none are deserved or needed.

edited: And I'm a Buddhist.
 
I have often written about the sense of "Gun-Zen" I noticed after I started carrying.

When one's actions and decisions carry greater weight and consequence it forces one to look at the bigger picture and honestly ask "How Important Is It?". Suddenly being cut off in traffic and other things that would draw a bit of ire from me ceased to be concerns.
 
I see the point he's trying to make. What if your weapon is rendered useless somehow, would you still have the skills and know how to use them to get yourself out of a hairy situation? I'm sure we all agree that using potentially deadly force of any kind is hopefully the last resort also.
 
Someone's been watching too many movies

I tend to agree. What was the original article?

I start eye rolling when I read about "warrior codes" or "sheep and wolves." I reject the notion that people who legally carry a concealed weapon are some separate caste. That idea is popular among both antis and the wrong kind of LEO's. We're American citizens, no more no less.

The Samurai were a bunch of arrogant nobles who actually enforced some of the earliest anti-gun laws on the planet in order to ensure their lords remained in power. It's not a system I admire much, and I'm glad our forebears beat the bejesus out of it in WWII.

They must use and be the weapon in order to create a world in which weapons are no longer needed.

Ah, no. I'm not trying to make a perfect world. And looking back over history, some of the scariest people have been those trying to make some peaceful utopia by the power of violence. From Marx to Pol Pot. It never works, it just ends up getting a lot of innocent people slaughtered. Nor am I hoping for a world where sidearms are no longer needed. That would mean a world where everyone was dead. Speaking of too many movies, I find my views on this matter are captured well in "Serenity."
 
The true warrior, in fact, sees combat as distasteful and even horrifying as does anyone else, and shuns the barbarian who enjoys the death and destruction of war. And for the true warrior, there is no higher ideal than to lay aside the sword.
I agree with this.

I think, given an ideal world, no-one would carry concealed. The world is, nowever, not ideal, and people carry because they feel they must.... However, they must also regard violence as the last option, and deadly force as the end of all things.
And this.
 
I would gladly remove guns from existence and take up golf as a hobby. Replacing rifle ranges with golf courses. If, and only IF it would end violence.

However, violence is violence. Power is power. Guns are mere tools used by both good and evil. Removing firearms, knives, clubs, or anything else, does not and will not remove violence. There will always be those who thirst for power and will use violence as a vehicle to that end regardless of the implement.

So what most folks do not understand is guns are not synonymous with violence. One can be a pacifist and carry a gun with intent to use it only when all else fails.
 
Eyesac, I posted that fact to show that this is one Buddhist gun owner and CCWer who doesn't buy into the Zen-warrior-samurai-bushido crap.
 
Eyesac, I posted that fact to show that this is one Buddhist gun owner and CCWer who doesn't buy into the Zen-warrior-samurai-bushido crap.

I know. You said it as if it gives you credibility in this regard. More to the point I think this "warrior code" is a common theme through out history. You can buy into or not, but I understand what he's talking about. I think if you look at most armed people (good guys of course) there is something in common:
*increased awareness
*Training
*distain for bloodshed
*bla bla bla...

You know what he means. Like I said, you can buy into it or not, but you know what he means (and I'm sure you have adopted some if not all of those qualities mentioned).
 
The true warrior hones his skills until his weapons become a part of him.

Okay, that part is done. Never go anywhere without my 642, or something more potent, and several sharp things of various shapes, sizes and utility.

He learns, and perfects every skill which could help him in combat, from bare-hand fighting to grappling to stealth and concealment to the use of weapons to psychological factors affecting their opponent.

Nope, with any luck my opponent won’t be getting close enough to “bare hand” me or grapple. If he/she is, I will guarantee that I won’t be “bare handed”. See note above.

Stealth is for assailants, not for defenders, and I am too big to conceal myself and hopefully I am never in condition white, so stealth doesn’t enter into the situation much.

As far as “psychological factors” I don’t really care. I don’t want to know what is going through my assailant’s mind, unless it is made of copper and lead and I put it there at a high rate of speed…

The true warrior is, himself, a deadly weapon.

Hmmm….. (munching deadly Jalapeno Cheetos). Nope, I don’t buy it. My dad was on Okinawa with the 6th Marines. All those “true warriors” on the other side got put in mass graves or sealed up in caves. So much for Bushido, dead-o-san.
 
However, the true warrior avoids combat for its own end. The true warrior understands that combat is sometimes necessary to achieve an objective, but that the taking of a human life is a final solution to a problem, and therefore is the last option. The true warrior, in fact, sees combat as distasteful and even horrifying as does anyone else, and shuns the barbarian who enjoys the death and destruction of war. And for the true warrior, there is no higher ideal than to lay aside the sword.

Here, let me Westernize that a bit for you:

A CCW permit holder avoids violence. The true CCW'er understands that violence is sometimes necessary to save his own life, and that taking another life is a final, irrevocable act, and therefore using a firearm is the last option, to be used only when the CCW'er cannot escape danger by walking or running away. The true CCW'er, in fact, sees violence as distasteful and even horrifying as does anyone else, and shuns the thug who enjoys the death and destruction of criminal activity. And for the true CCW'er, there is no higher ideal than to keep his sidearm in its holster forever.
 
As far as “psychological factors” I don’t really care. I don’t want to know what is going through my assailant’s mind, unless it is made of copper and lead and I put it there at a high rate of speed…

Can I put that in my sig? :D
 
That's great that some of you guys don't buy this "bs" but i mean, if this guy wants to point out some things that helps himself and wants to share with us, whats the harm?

You don't get to decide when the thread is "over".

You are on a discussion forum, that's how it works, you discuss, not decide someone is wrong and declare victory.

anyways...

A lot of points are applicable to firearms and modern society, but of course some of this is outdated and is true in different context. We definitely aren't "warriors" because our modern society does not require it.

This is not to say threats do not occur, just not in extremes. Anyone who can't understand this and wont take the time to make personal adjustments in their own heads to make this material relevant is quite closed minded.

I like it, I won't live and breathe it, but I can take the useful parts and disregard the rest.

Thanks for the post.
 
My P220 sits on my holster beside my shurikens. I will bow to my opponent before I slay him in battle. My mighty Platypus Style Gun Fu cannot be defeated. I am one with my hollow point.
 
Tao of Gun

A really interesting read.

http://keepandbeararms.com/information/tao.asp



my gun fu is strong

TAO of GUN

Spiritual Sovereignty
and the Hypocrisy of Gun Control

Richard Roberts





This essay addresses gun control and Second Amendment issues from a New Age perspective and develops the following themes:

* It is hypocritical to affirm that human beings are responsible for their reality and at the same time ask the State to take away guns to make the world safer.
* We are sovereign beings who have projected our sovereign rights onto others to control us by licensing our rights back to us as privileges.
* There are no victims. There are no oppressors. We are responsible for our own self-defense, our own well-being and our own problems.
* By supporting any State enforced gun control we deny our heritage as sovereign spiritual beings in human form. We also put ourselves, our loved ones and our communities at a statistically greater physical risk.
* Making the world a better place comes through the personal transformation of consciousness, not through external State control.
* The first step to regain sovereignty is discovering how much you've given away to the State and to the "good opinion of others." A good way to discover that is apply for a gun license, buy a gun and -- tell your friends.
* You are still a sovereign being. Now, go create a miracle.
 
They must use and be the weapon in order to create a world in which weapons are no longer needed.

In an ideal world where there is no need for weapons, I'd still be taking my Ma-Deuce to the range to shoot at junked cars.

A world without weapons and an ideal world are two separate things. There aren't too many weapons that don't have at least one entertaining use outside of killing people. (Not to imply killing people is entertaining)

An ideal world would not be weapon free, it would be violence-free.
 
When one's actions and decisions carry greater weight and consequence it forces one to look at the bigger picture and honestly ask "How Important Is It?". Suddenly being cut off in traffic and other things that would draw a bit of ire from me ceased to be concerns.

I experience this as well. I choose not to call it "zen" though, because it makes me seem like I stepped out of an early 90s laser disc collection of ninja movies.

It basically causes you to reevaluate yourself. I find when I carry a gun, I'm more apt to avoid confrontation and less apt to pick a fight (not that I pick fights anyway).
 
And for the true CCW'er, there is no higher ideal than to keep his sidearm in its holster forever.
What, no range time? No punching paper? No blowing up bowling pins or trying to play "The Anvil Chorus" on steel plates?
Say it ain't so, Bob. ;)
 
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