Zero Tolerance and CCW Activism...

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Okay - I've posted about the St. Louis Dave & Buster's restaurant prohibiting CCW... Thread has degenerated into "Well, I don't like 'em" or "Well, I can't carry in there in my state anyway" sorta stuff.

Guys, let me spell it out.

When a business, in particular a NATIONWIDE business (okay, they may not have a store closer than a couple of hours drive of your house, but they _are_ essentially nationwide...), they, and their corporate headquarters, should get LOTS of calls, letters, e-mails, etc., to tell them that unless they change their position on the matter, you'll gonna shop, eat, sleep, whatever, somewhere else.

Do not tell them that you will _never_ patronize them again. Tell them that you won't patronize them _until_ they change their positon. Big difference there.

Do not accuse them of being leftist, commie, "anti," or whatever... Be nice, and don't threaten. Remember that the policy was likely conceived by someone who meant well, and doesn't understand the situation.

Emphasize that YOU are not a criminal, and all the signage will do is keep people who are NOT criminals from entering their place of business. It will do NOTHING to deter criminals, and may actually encourage their activity.

Now for the zero tolerance part - we can't allow this sorta thing anywhere. If a business posts against CCW, and then gets hundreds, if not thousands, of e-mails, they're more likely to rethink. If a major business (which you may have never heard of...) posts, it can cause an entire region to post... Schnuck's is a major grocery in St. Louis, and folks are seeing their signs EVERY time they go to the store. If Joe Bidnessman sees the sign at Schnuck's, he's more likely to just go ahead and post his place of business. One less place you can shop at. It's a cancer that spreads.

Anyone else have some ideas? Remember what we did with Applebee's?
 
One thing people don't seem to think of when emailing/writing/calling is the following scenario.

Note: I've had my car broken into several times, so I am more paranoid about this than some.

Here's an email I would send if I were to encounter a sign in a business I wanted to enter when I was carrying:

I was disappointed to see a sign posted in your establishment today that prohibits concealed weapons. This sign gave me two choices.

1. Disarm myself and leave my $700 pistol in my vehicle. An inconvenience and a risk of theft and subsequent liability if my firearm is later used in a crime.

2. Leave and go somewhere else.

As a business owner, you can see which option is the smart one to take given the circumstances. I hope you will consider the possible liabilities to your business should you choose to prohibit lawful carriers of concealed weapons from entering your establishment.

Thank you for your consideration.

That being said, I will be boycotting establishments that prohibit carry, more for convenience than any sort of moral high ground.
 
I like Nightfa11's sample letter and thats what I will use.

I think its important to send this letter to both the head office, the manager of the offending store and any other stores in the area.

Often these signs are the action of a single misguided manager.
 
Too bad in Ohio, you can't carry into a liquor serving establishment such as D&B... So it's kinda moot here. But hey, we can always try to get amendments for next year!
 
Bogie, I could not agree with you more. That's the right way to go about CCW activism.

Applebees was a great example. Remember, the Applebee's in question was NOT corporate-owned. But we leaned on Corporate and they must've passed the pressure on to the franchise owner, and the policy was changed.

A polite approach is best. Nightfall is a good example.
 
Too bad in Ohio, you can't carry into a liquor serving establishment such as D&B... So it's kinda moot here. But hey, we can always try to get amendments for next year!

Zaijian, whether or not you can carry into a D&B's in Ohio isn't the point.

What matters is that ONE of their locations has posted against CCW. It shouldn't matter if it is in Texas or in Massachusetts, Alaska or Florida... If one does, then others will. So, even if you live in a state that wouldn't allow you to carry into the restaurant, even if you live in one of the few states that doesn't allow CCW, you should drop their corporate folks a line, and let them know that you're not happy.
 
1. Disarm myself and leave my $700 pistol in my vehicle. An inconvenience and a risk of theft and subsequent liability if my firearm is later used in a crime.
Actually it's more like: 1) Disarm myself and leave my firearm unattended in my car in your parking creating a risk of theft and use in a crime.

Excellent points though!
 
Never let it be said a little effort didn't glean results.

Our local Circuit City posted "no guns" signs. I, and others, made a few phone calls and the signs came down, state wide :D We don't always get those results, but it is sure worth the 30 minutes I spent making some calls to everyone from the local level to the corporate leve.

As always, be polite and non threatening.

Stay safe everyone.
 
When Krogers in south western Ohio posted signs CCW holders from across the country emailed and called them telling them that they wouldn't shop in their stores even though concealed carry was only banned in one region.

The result was that the signs came down.

It's time for those of us in Ohio to return the favor.
 
Another point that needs to be made to these businesses is that there is a risk of their business being sued by a patron with a CHL/CCW who is denied the ability to carry in their establishment, and who is then the victim of a crime. In other words, by denying a licensed holder the ability to carry, the business has essentially said "We will take responsibility to defend you." If this is pointed out to them - and especially if they are told to ask their own lawyers about it - then I think that any business will be far less inclined to prohibit carry by citizens that have gone through an extensive background check and some training in order to get the carry permit.
 
I would like to empasize the "As always, be polite and non threatening". My boss is an anti, and had a sign put up. I had several discussions with her and felt like I was making progress until we received some very nasty letters from some members of a local RKBA organization. Since then she won't even discuss it.
 
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