Panzerschwein
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I've always thought those "cowboy" .45-70 Marlins with the extended barrel and magazine tube would be terrific fighting rifles when loaded up with lightweight high-velocity .45-70 hollow points.
When shooting heavy loads off the bench i now wrap my fingers around the lever rather than inside it, hurts way less.
Brian Pierce shot a 400 grain 45/70 load @1500 fps thru one cape buffalo and killing another standing behind the first oneThe 405 grs. bullets fired at 1,200 fps has taken tons of Buffalo and other critters. The market place has convinced hunters that if a load doesn't hurt it doesn't hunt.
Brian Pierce shot a 400 grain 45/70 load @1500 fps thru one cape buffalo and killing another standing behind the first one
Not gonna make any difference in penetration.If memory serves, it was an 1800fps load, not 1,500. Might seem like splitting hairs, but being 20% faster and carrying then 44% greater energy certainly isn't.
Not gonna make any difference in penetration
That's a very odd comparison. If you want penetration, you don't use a hollow point (or even a soft nose). You use a wide meplat flat point monolithic solid.depends what bullets you use, a good hard cast bullet at modest speeds will penetrate better that a high speed hollow point of the same diamiter. eastbank.
So, I have not hunted since about 1979 but I love shooting a lever gun, My largest bore is a Marlin 1895cb in 45-70. I have rounds on hand for 405gr @ 1200 fps and 325gr at 1800. I just ordered a box of 405gr Buffalo Bore at 2000 fps. This is going to leave a mark isn't it?
Old Elmer had a stand-up bench for shooting those big elephant guns of his.
actually Brian paid for one buff so the guide who told him to shoot the big male did not want to charge him for 2 being neither one saw the smaller female. But you are right about the old time hunters lining up them up so save leadS&B, So true. Frontier Buffalo hunters traditionally shot from 300 yds. They always tried to line up 2 animals for a single shot. Getting 2 for one was a saving. But the main purpose was to save the lead bullet. They very often found the bullet in a 3rd animal. The 45-70 was a favored buffalo caliber.
I think a slower moving 400 grain bullet at 1500-1600 penetrates in a straighter line deeper then the same bullet driven over 2000 fps being if they hit a heavy bone they might deflectThat's a very odd comparison. If you want penetration, you don't use a hollow point (or even a soft nose). You use a wide meplat flat point monolithic solid.
For good solids, as far as I can tell extra velocity always results in both deeper penetration and a more damaging wound channel.
I would only agree with your statement when dealing with non-solid projectiles. Soft points are going to be dependent upon their construction and performance envelope, where some may driver deeper and open more whereas other softer ones may over expand or grenade resulting in less penetration. If it's solid and stays together, faster impact speed can only mean more momentum and deeper penetration.I think a slower moving 400 grain bullet at 1500-1600 penetrates in a straighter line deeper then the same bullet driven over 2000 fps being if they hit a heavy bone they might deflect