405 gr @ 2000 fps

[76shuvlinoff]

So, I have not hunted since about 1979 but I love shooting a lever gun, My largest bore is a Marlin 1895cb in 45-70. I have rounds on hand for 405gr @ 1200 fps and 325gr at 1800. I just ordered a box of 405gr Buffalo Bore at 2000 fps. This is going to leave a mark isn't it?

 

[H&Hhunter]

Yep those are pretty stout in a Marlin CB.

 

[Llama Bob]

The Buffalo Bore loads are VERY, VERY hot. Some people argue too hot. I wonder if over time they'll increase the headspace of a Marlin 336 action. Given a choice I'd much rather be shooting them in a modern steel 1886. Or better yet be shooting .45-90 - adding that case capacity lets you get performance without the pressure.

 

[ExAgoradzo]

Love my 1895. Buffalo Bore Says you can... I shot a #1 once loaded up to elephant level like that: it is a different experience than the GG. That is also why I turned down a Trapdoor: I don't want to mix ammo and have a grenade 8" from my nose...

Enjoy:
Greg

 

[BigBore44]

So, I have not hunted since about 1979 but I love shooting a lever gun, My largest bore is a Marlin 1895cb in 45-70. I have rounds on hand for 405gr @ 1200 fps and 325gr at 1800. I just ordered a box of 405gr Buffalo Bore at 2000 fps. This is going to leave a mark isn't it?

It really depends.... Do you like getting kicked in the shoulder by a pack mule? If so, Buffalo Bore will get you set up quite nicely for a very enjoyable experience.

 

[H&Hhunter]

I don't find the recoil on the shoulder to be the issue with BB level reloads in a Marlin lever gun. The worst part to is the bashing my fingers take from the trigger guard.

 

[JeffG]

Your shoulder will heal, but you may need a chiropractor for your neck.Trust me on this. My 458 with 460gr @ 1850 was major brutality from my magnum Mauser. I never went higher that 1600fps out of my Marlin Guide gun.

 

[eastbank]

what are you going to shoot or what may you need to shoot? in north america i can only think of one species you would need them and that would be for large bears that. or just for ****s and giggles and i have done that. eastbank.

 

[LoonWulf]

I wanna watch! And take a shot or two......

I shot a few rounds from a henry rifle that a guy at the range hand loaded for, his loads were supposed to be in that velocity range. Kick was significant, but still felt slower and less painful than a fast medium or even a big fast 30.
This may not be a good representation, as ive found that rarely are the velocity numbers im given actually from chronographs.....

 

[eastbank]

350gr bullet at 1800fps sure kills deer in the 45-70. eastbank.

 

[Robert]

I don't find the recoil on the shoulder to be the issue with BB level reloads in a Marlin lever gun. The worst part to is the bashing my fingers take from the trigger guard.

Exactly. I hand loaded some BB level ammo and while the recoil is stout it is not the worst I've ever felt. My knuckles smashing into the lever was far more annoying and painful.

 

[jmorris]

Yes, I generally get a nice purple color to my shoulder after as few as 3-4 shots, out of a lever gun at that power level.

Makes my 50 BMG seem like a kitten in the recoil dept at that point.

Its a bit better in the 1600-1800 fps range or with a lead sled style rest to get your load worked out then just shoot to kill after that. They're never going to be fun plinker rounds.

 

[Casefull]

Those rounds are going to wreck more than your shoulder. I don't know about those particular rounds but I would not use those in that style of rifle. Just my two cents. Good luck, Have fun.

 

[Llama Bob]

Exactly. I hand loaded some BB level ammo and while the recoil is stout it is not the worst I've ever felt. My knuckles smashing into the lever was far more annoying and painful.

A lever wrap that's smooth on the inside helps a lot. You can get them from here: http://gunstockcover.com/ among other places or just look at the picture and see how to make your own.

 

[76shuvlinoff]

What am I going to shoot? Most likely a paper plate on a railroad tie if I don't flinch, this is purely a ****s and giggles venture for me. .The biggest recoil for me so far has been my 870 with a couple 3" loads. I do have a Pachmayr Decelerator pad on the 1895cb.

 

[kwg020]

Be prepared for a retina separation.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=retin...sc=8-17&cvid=4547cff4531d42e8b7d29672cfd1d21b

 

[Gordon]

350gr bullet at 1800fps sure kills deer in the 45-70. eastbank.

and elk and moose and grizzly too !

 

[Gordon]

Back in my earlier years I used the Speer flatnose 400 grain with 44 grains of IMR 4198 , this is not a max load , it gives a little over 1700 FPS in a 22" barrel 1895 Marlin non micro groove . It was plenty for me and very accurate.

 

[redneck2]

I do have a Pachmayr Decelerator pad on the 1895cb.

That's the exact one I had on my 1895. Makes a huge difference. I loaded up close to .458 WM levels, whatever the Lyman book listed. It was stout, but not brutal. Less than a 3 1/2" 870.

I did shoot a sporter weight Ruger #1 with the heaviest Ruger only loads. That was beyond brutal.

 

[Stubert]

That 405/2000 fps load exceeds the recoil of full house .375 H&H loads with a 300 gr. bullet by over 20%. I'd wear a sissy pad for the first shot to see how you like it.

 

[Varminterror]

Surprising to see so few, if any, folks here who have hot-rodded the modern 1895 .45-70.

I haven't shot the BB personally, but I have pushed a lot of 400's and 405's up over 2,000fps over healthy charges of 4198. The recoil is stiff, but it's not as offensive as a .338wm or .416 Rigby. It's powerful, and certainly not a pleasure from the bench, but like most cartridges in this bullet weight and velocity class, the recoil is largely over-rated by those who haven't actually fired them firsthand.

The Buffalo Bore loads were designed with the 1895's in mind. They are very particular about citing which models they have tested and which models are unfit for certain loads. Knowing the thousands of similar loads I have fired from my 1895's in e last ~20yrs, I would not agree with the common sentiment here implying pending damage to your rifle.

Detached retinas do happen with heavy recoiling rifles, but often it's a greater concern for a faster/shorter impulse cartridge than with any of the punkin chunkers.

 

[ericuda]

I have loaded hot too and do not mind the shoulder it is the hand and knuckles in the lever that hurt. When shooting heavy loads off the bench i now wrap my fingers around the lever rather than inside it, hurts way less. With that said no way i want to shoot 405 grains going at 2000 from my guide gun and dont quite see why it is neded. The 45-70 is not a long range cartridge for me and a 405 lead slug going at 1300 goes through a railroad tie like it is nothing.

 

[Dog Soldier]

The 405 grs. bullets fired at 1,200 fps has taken tons of Buffalo and other critters. The market place has convinced hunters that if a load doesn't hurt it doesn't hunt.

 

[db_tanker]

you would do well to be careful...this kind of load can possibly make you develop a rather significant flinch

I'd work with some type of pad...and I'd also suggest to NOT do any shooting with this load on bench rest...try it off hand if possible.

mtcw
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[Gordon]

Now 300 grains at 2300 and 350 grains at 2000 plus or minus are doable and like I said that 350 grain at about twice the speed of sound will quickly take any North American game to 200 yards -easily. The 300 grainers at 2300 are bombs and can be safely reached with IMR 4198 and 22" barrels. I always thought that 1" hole they tear thru the toughest big boar was - adequate