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Demi-human

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Upon reading a post of an individual experiment of at rest case pressures, and the replies, a thought occurred to me. Nearly every member that I always hope to hear from was in the same thread. Rather than derail any further contemplations, I have started this one. In which I would like to express my sincere appreciation and thanks.


Two years ago I discovered that, if I wished to fire anything other than twenty-two rimfire, I would need to begin handloading my empties. Many of the guys at the shop who talk guns, hunting and reloading were encouraging. However, upon receiving my press and gathering some starter questions, I realized that they were not 'that into it'. Even the person that I shoot most with admitted (with an annoyed sigh) that he just makes the load marked 'most accurate' in the book. I don't have that book. When I asked if he read the front where it explains much of the theory he replied "Nope".

So in my quest for handloading knowledge I came across several websites with like minded people readily sharing any information they had on the subject. Obviously the best of which is The High Road.

Now, several hundered hours of study and research later, I am able to manufacture much more accurate ammunition than I could ever purchase. At a much smaller cost.

I have purcased a Savage model twelve F/TR rifle in two-twenty three. And as of late have been able to make ten bullet holes touch, at one hundered and ten yards. (They go from the bottom, up in a line, but that will be a future thread.)

With no 'mentor' to make sure I didn't blow myself to smithereens, this site and Accurate Shooter have been invaluable in my education. I hope someday to be equally helpful to new members.


So with humble gratitude, I wish to thank all of the educators here. I refrain from naming them, lest I omit any that definitely deserve it. I suspect you know who you are.

Thank you very kindly!

You have given me a sport, a basement hobby and in all seriousness a new direction in life. Just today my son, Logan, and I went to shoot his new Red Rascal twenty two. He didn't hit a thing and had the best time ever! He says he can't wait to shoot those naughty squirrels that ate his bird feeder. He's so serious.

A sincere Thank You to all!

Demi-human.
 
I would like to go on record saying that I share your sentiments. This forum has been invaluable in getting me started in reloading, now going on almost a year, with no serious mishaps.

The populace does not just post to berate someone for asking a question "that has been answered a hundred times already", the ones that take the time to post, genuinely want to help.

Finally, due to this welcoming feeling, that we are not all idiots wasting other people's time, posters feel free to ask the questions, and tell about their mistakes, which I have also found helpful, keeping me from making some of the same.
 
Well, welcome to our hobby and passion of reloading and handloading!

I consider reloading and shooting American traditions that need to be perpetuated and passed down through generations. Reloading and shooting have allowed my family, friends, neighbors, coworkers and even strangers to create lasting happy memories and good times.

Like you, I too have benefited from many generous people who taught me to reload and shoot matches without repayment and like many other THR members, want to spread that generosity so future generations can do the same.
 
Plus +1 to everything above. I have been at it for about a month, and have loaded 2000 rounds so far. After about 1500 rounds I started to figure some things out. This forum, and those who contribute are by far the most thoughtful, kind and knowledgeable I have found. I check this particular forum on THR multiple times per day to see what type of questions are being asked and if it can me in my quest to get the hang of this hobby. Great group, and thank you. Keep up with the helpful answers :) I will try to do my part as well as I stumble on to things. Pete
 
I echo the comments! Thankfully rcmodel held us to a very high standard! I too have learned much from the experienced reloaders here at THR!
 
Even the person that I shoot most with admitted (with an annoyed sigh) that he just makes the load marked 'most accurate' in the book.
Yeah, most accurate in their test setup. Several manuals list that as well as best hunting load and again in their test setup. Well you have found that within the community there a few trains of thought and people hand load for assorted reasons. It would seem you are in the camp who not just wants to roll their own but also wants to understand what they are doing and why, yeah, the first part of the book. Good camp to be a part of. :)

I hope you continue to enjoy hand loading and develop the same passion many of us have shared for decades.

Ron
 
[Qname ="drband, post: 10548530, member: 220749"]I echo the comments! Thankfully rcmodel held us to a very high standard! I too have learned much from the experienced reloaders here at THR![/QUOTE]


A name to be thanked directly. We are much so much the less from his passing. I am lucky to have been 'lurking about' for a time enough to have gained from his wisdom.
Demi-human
 
I share OP's sentiments: "So with humble gratitude, I wish to thank all of the educators here. I refrain from naming them, lest I omit any that definitely deserve it. I suspect you know who you are. Thank you very kindly!"

You guys are the best.

THR rocks.
 
I would be amiss not to echo the sentiments in the posts above. All of us here have been on the receiving end, and owe others.
Therefore, I would add one thing: When you are taught something and become good at it.....don't hoard the knowledge, share it. Otherwise that knowledge is worthless to everyone but you....and what a waste that is.....certainly not the American way. That's really what forums like this are all about. RC was great because "share" was his middle name....and that wasn't just here on THR.
 
I also, have benefited greatly from the wisdom, humor, banter, and overall great instruction in reloading on here. I have no fear in asking questions, and only a little in answering the ones I can. This is a great place to be, thanks to all who make it so.
 
There are a few here who will forget morw than we'll ever know. rcmodel was one of them. Theres more knowledge here than on any other forum I've ever found. Which is why I became a member several years ago. And the knowledge I learned here has also allowed me to help others. As they say, "pass it on"
 
I have been reloading for 30+ years. At first I had a grandfather that helped me get started then I was "on my own". With the now available internet it is a whole new world out there. Having many others all experimenting in different areas of their interest it benefits us all when we decide to try that caliber/load/et all. I usually learn something new every time I log on, even after all the time I have invested so far. I also want to thank those that are willing to share their own hard won experience to better my reloading experience in general.:thumbup:
 
We all know gun owners that go to the range once in a while and shoot a few rounds and talk a big game. Then there are those that have a passion for marksmanship and put in the time/effort. There is less talk from that crowd.

The same with handloading. Some talk a big game and make a few rounds. Then there are others that put in the time and research and want to make the best ammo possible. The difference with handloading compared to the social gun owner is that there isn't any crowd standing behind the occasional handloaders bench, commenting on just how awesome the occasional handloader is.

I think that there are only a few occasional handloaders taking the time to post and/or respond to messages on a forum such as this.
 
I think that there are only a few occasional handloaders taking the time to post and/or respond to messages on a forum such as this.

Then you haven't spent much time here. But bash this forum all you want. It's your right to have that opinion. Just don't be surprised when no one answers your questions afterwards.
 
Count me as an "occasional handloader." I just this week, finished my first 1-lb jug of H4895 (bought almost a year ago), loading up a second set of test rounds for my .30-30 (second chambering for this powder). My first (IIRC) thread started here, revolved around whether or not I should start loading, since my range trips are infrequent. I got responses on both sides, but went for it. I am glad I did. It has encouraged me to try to shoot more, to improve my skills, to understand ballistics, and to take pride in handiwork that can prove dangerous if you don't. It is true that I am not trying for one-hole, 300-yard groups. I have shrunk my groups from 3MOA to 1MOA, and have had marked improvement in my pistol skills (though I still have a LONG way to go). But, mostly, it is a pride knowing that I had major involvement in each projectile I send toward paper or game, and it gives me some solitude when I am at my bench. I thank this forum for giving me the confidence and advice to take the plunge into this world. Thank you one and all.
 
Been hand loading for over 40 yrs now, and I'm still learning. I don't thing you will ever know it all. When I started it was school of hard knoxx, I learned by trying. With today's internet you have unlimited resources to search for a solution. Just need to keep an open mind. I have mentored several neighbors in hand loading and find it quite en-joyful to pass on my knowledge. I'm retired out in the country so I can shoot any time by going out either my front door or back. Does make testing a lot easier.

Enjoy yourself, once it becomes work it's no longer fun. Be safe.
 
Then you haven't spent much time here. But bash this forum all you want. It's your right to have that opinion. Just don't be surprised when no one answers your questions afterwards

Read what I wrote, I wasn't bashing this forum or anything/anyone for that matter.
 
Read what I wrote, I wasn't bashing this forum or anything/anyone for that matter.
I think I understand what you are saying. In that, as a poupulation, many handloaders could be described as occasional. And these particular humans, though quite knowledgeable, may participate in a forum only seldomly. This was myself only recently. I am still wary I have enough experience to comment on most things.
Except Hornady Customer Service. They really are top notch.
I have many fourty-five auto cases I batch by the primer case. Six or eight hundered two-twenty three cases and a bucket full of nine millimeter. Only two hundered Lapua for my Savage, they are that nice. One could say I load the forty-fives more occasionally, as I have five to six thousand.
 
Demi-human, what I was trying to say, in my typical clumsy way, is that there are some who have loaded up a couple 100 rounds of ammo and they worked so they think that they are experts and able to teach advanced concepts to others. I was also trying to say, again, clumsy of me, those experts do not last very long on forums like this if they even are aware that they exist. I'm a bit surprised that I offended some here as that wasn't my intention at all.

I personally don't offer much in the way of instruction as I'm not a true expert, far from it. I can put together ammo that functions well in my handguns and rifles. But folks like you Demi-human are, as I see it, determined to learn and understand the skills needed to handload great ammo and appreciate the fact that others are willing to assist. This is a complement. If I were to offer some advice it would be to collect as much resources as possible, books and other publications that have withstood the test of time, the classics. Keeping in mind that there is more than one way to skin a cat and there are numerous ways to spend your money.
 
@thomas15

I understand what you are trying to say. And, one of the things that distinguish this forum from most of the others, is that those with less knowledge than they think they have, are gently corrected, in a way that they can learn as well. I know I have been corrected a few times here, for getting facts mixed up, or having my "facts" being anything but. While I don't have as much experience as a lot of people here, I love to research different things, especially when it comes to firearms. I will read threads here, that don't apply to me (at the moment, anyways), just so I can learn something new.
 
I agree with the OP. Most reloaders I have talked to in my area venture very little outside of the one or two powders they were introduced to. Some are content with, and have a decent load. Not always a bad thing. But not the type I would quiz with reloading questions.

One guy basically said x powder is the only good powder and all others are a waste.

This forum definitely opened my eyes on several matters I thought I had down pat.

Thanks to the weathered veterans!
 
Demi-Human wrote:
Even the person that I shoot most with admitted (with an annoyed sigh) that he just makes the load marked 'most accurate' in the book. I don't have that book. When I asked if he read the front where it explains much of the theory he replied "Nope".

In reloading we are putting gunpowder inside of pressure vessels. It is dangeous enough that if you substitute a piece of iron pipe for the brass case and lead bullet you've committed a felony.

The person who decided to skip reading the manual was demonstrating the same level of arrogant complacency that causes someone to say that if two extra-strength Tylenol are good for a headache then ten must be better and then wake up in the hospital (or fail to wake up in the morgue).

Congratulate yourself that you had the presence of mind to understand what you were dealing with and knew you needed to educate yourself.
 
Please add my name to the THR appreciation crowd. I joined THR on August 14, 2014 and assembled my first load (40S&W) on September 26, 2014. I do read my load manuals, but the advice I have been receiving from the THR members is something that would have taken many years of experience to assemble. So after about 2 years and 6 months of reloading and about 10k rounds loaded, THR is still number one on my list when it comes to reloading advice.
 
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