After 2000 rounds, P365 failure

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Since the P365 came out, I've been one of it's supporters. That ended today. Mine has been fine with over 2000 rounds through it, which you would think bodes well for the reliability of the gun. You would be wrong. I was at the range this evening and started experiencing the light primer stikes that have been widely reported. It was occurring 1 to 2 times per magazine. I thought it might be the ammo, since I was shooting Wolf ammo, but my VP9SK, Shield and FNS9C had no malfuncitons with the same ammo. I tried 124 grain HST's in it and had the same problem, so it is the gun. For Sig to put out a gun who's primary purpose is concealed carry and to have this many problems with it is incomprehensible to me. It's going back to Sig Monday and is being sold once it's repaired. I tried the Magguts +2 conversion for my Shield and it works well. I'll take 11 rounds in a reliable Shield over 13 in the P365 when I need a pocket gun.


https://magguts.com/product/smith-wesson-shield-9mm-2-magguts/#reviews
 
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That's the worst part of these 365s is theres no way to be truly confident you got a "good" one as they have reported breakages at seemingly random times.

Though the one i had worked fine, I'd not be trusting my life to one till issuss like this stop popping up every month or so.
 
Unfortunately, Shield is significantly taller.

Personally, I'm not losing sleep with P365 parts breaking. The probability of it failing when I need it is very small, below the floor of me fumbling, getting blindsided, of missing.

But I would prefer that if SIG are incapable of making guns that last, at least they would make lemons like Kel-Tec and Kahr do. With those, in 500 rounds you know if you can trust that gun completely or need to chuck it into a dumpster. Not with P365.
 
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JR24 said:
That's the worst part of these 365s is theres no way to be truly confident you got a "good" one as they have reported breakages at seemingly random times.

Though the one i had worked fine, I'd not be trusting my life to one till issuss like this stop popping up every month or so.
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Well said, except they've lost me completely. I might consider one in the future if they were honest about their problems, but they've downplayed those problems claiming it's internet hype. I'll never trust that the problems have been worked out, as the one I bought was supposedly manufactured after they worked the bugs out. The only upside to this is that it happened at the range, not in a SD scenario.
 
zaitcev said:
Unfortunately, Shield is significantly taller.

Personally, I'm not losing sleep with P365 parts breaking. The probability of it failing when I need it is very small, below the floor of me fumbling, getting blindsided, of missing.

But I would prefer that if SIG are incapable of making guns that last, at least they would make lemons like Kel-Tec and Kahr do. With those, in 500 rounds you know if you can trust that gun completely or need to chunk it into a dumpster. Not with P365.
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Kel-Tec P11 is $201 at Buds.
 
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Blkhrt13 said:
Yeah I think I will just buy a Taurus g2c. Spend the rest on ammo or mags. The 365 seems like a nope.
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That reminds me how Dan T.F.G. posted a video of one of those Tauruses he had with a broken trigger. It's plastic and it just broke in two. It was either G2C or its dual-stack version. But unlike P365 he was still able to shoot that thing by pulling the trigger stub :)
 
That is too bad. Really interested in getting one of these but the random failures that seem to keep happening are making it a no-go for me.

And it's not like most guns that are problematic in that you know within the first 100 rounds or so if the gun is having issues. These things are failing at random round counts and the failures are such that the gun is inoperable and can't be cleared and put back in service immediately.

The Sig apologists are astounding in their insistence that these guns are fine and plenty reliable.
 
zaitcev said:
It was either G2C or its dual-stack version.
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I have both the PT111 G2 and the G2C. Both use double stack 12-round magazines. There is a single stack version called the G2S but it's much newer to the scene (debuting in 2018 I believe). IIRC, there were some reports of trigger safeties snapping on the PT111 G2. I'm certain this happened to some, but to what degree I'm uncertain considering the internet's "me too" crowd is legion (most of whom may not have even handled one personally).

I don't know if the G2C shares this issue or not. Mine have been reliable so far. A new G2C can be found for under $200 with minimal searching. Gunprime is currently offering them for $183. That's a heck of a bargain.
https://gunprime.com/product/taurus-point-111-g2c-9mm-3-2-12rd-1-g2c931-12/
I did change out the recoil spring in the G2 with a steel rod replacement from Lakeline, though it was working fine with the stock spring/rod.

As for the OP's P365 failing, that stinks. However, there's no way I'm giving up on my P365 considering all it has to offer. I have probably around 700 rounds through mine now. Not a single malfunction to date, wonderfully ergonomic and compact yet capable and accurate.
I do believe I may change out the recoil spring somewhere around the 1500-2000 round mark. I suppose it would be prudent to replace the striker spring at that time as well. Heck, by that time they may have yet another incarnation of striker or striker spring available to address these issues.
 
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To give a time line, what was the mfg date?
It sucks when any gun fails, especially a hot, new design by a large company.
No company is without their duds but when you have the same issue over time then a design change is in order.
Has anyone determined what actually happens to cause the failure?
Is there any preventative maintenance to prevent it?
 
I don't own a P365, and probably never will. Not entirely because of the problems I've read about, but my Shield is shaping up very nicely at half the price. To be honest, I also don't care for how the P365 feels in my hand. Still, I'm curious about the P365 for the simple reason that it kind of "rocked the boat" when it was first introduced because of its capacity for its size.
TomJ said:
. . . .That ended today. Mine has been fine with over 2000 rounds through it, which you would think bodes well for the reliability of the gun. . . . .
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That would seem like a good start.
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. . . . You would be wrong. I was at the range this evening and started experiencing the light primer stikes that have been widely reported. It was occurring 1 to 2 times per magazine. . . . .
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That's way, way too many light strikes to have in a carry gun. You mentioned the Magguts. Would I be correct in assuming that the pistol internals were still stock? I ask out of genuine curiosity, not because I'm looking for a way to defend the P365.
 
I asked because I recently purchased a 365 with a Dec 2018 production date.
So far so good but no where near 2k rounds.
I have no problem with preventative maintenance if it eliminates the problem of light strikes.
If changing a spring every 1k rounds or cleaning a channel every 1 k rounds, I am fine with that.
I just want to know upfront, not when it's too late.
 
Old or new style striker? Will be interested to see what Sig fixes/replaces/does.
 
[QUOTE="Spats McGee, post: 11073152, member: 182952"
That's way, way too many light strikes to have in a carry gun. You mentioned the Magguts. Would I be correct in assuming that the pistol internals were still stock? I ask out of genuine curiosity, not because I'm looking for a way to defend the P365.[/QUOTE]

The Magguts he spoke about was for his shield to get to capacity of 11.
 
Spats McGee said:
I don't own a P365, and probably never will. Not entirely because of the problems I've read about, but my Shield is shaping up very nicely at half the price. To be honest, I also don't care for how the P365 feels in my hand. Still, I'm curious about the P365 for the simple reason that it kind of "rocked the boat" when it was first introduced because of its capacity for its size.

That would seem like a good start.

That's way, way too many light strikes to have in a carry gun. You mentioned the Magguts. Would I be correct in assuming that the pistol internals were still stock? I ask out of genuine curiosity, not because I'm looking for a way to defend the P365.
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Spats,
Regarding the Magguts, I had worded it poorly and corrected it. Magguts makes a magazine extension for the Shield, increasing the capacity by 2 rounds. I tried it in an 8 round magazine, bringing it up to 10 rounds. Capacity is important to me, and while I'd prefer 12 +1, I'm good with 10 +1.

The only changes I made to the internals of the P365 was replacing the trigger bar spring and since mine had the old firing pin, which was a point of failure, I replaced it with the Lighning Strike firing pin. That was over 1200 rounds ago. I won't put the old firing pin back in as it was the style that was breaking.
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TomJ said:
since mine had the old firing pin, which was a point of failure, I replaced it with the Lighning Strike firing pin.
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Wonder how Sig will look a that and was it a factor. Very interested in how it turns out.

Mine is a little over 2K rounds, with a change to the new style stryker at just under 2K rounds, no other modification, changed out to the style stryker myself. It was a gift from @Tinman357. He replaced his new style stryker with the Lightning Strike stryker like you did.
 
larryh1108 said:
To give a time line, what was the mfg date?
It sucks when any gun fails, especially a hot, new design by a large company.
No company is without their duds but when you have the same issue over time then a design change is in order.
Has anyone determined what actually happens to cause the failure?
Is there any preventative maintenance to prevent it?
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I'll check when I get back home later, but I'm pretty sure it was a June production date. When I learned it had the firing pin that was known to break I called Sig, asking if there was anything they could do. They rattled off statistics regarding how many p365's were sold compared to how many had been in for repair and told me not to listen to internet hype. I offered to pay for any upgrades, which they refused, again telling me there was no problem with the gun. My choice was then to leave in a firing pin that was known to break and they had made changes to or replace it with the Lightning Strike. This is one of the reasons I'm having a hard time trusting them.
 
I am not really a striker-fired guy, but confirm this for me:

"In a striker-fired gun like the P365, Striker = Firing Pin?"

We seem to be using the term interchangeably, and I just want to make sure I am understanding things correctly.
 
Sounds like company arrogance.
That can hurt an established company in the long run.
However, to be fair, I have not heard or read about many issues since "the fix".
If there is an aftermarket firing pin that passes the beta testing I will look in to it,
I don't trust any company's PR when it comes to issues that "don't exist" when we know they do.
Funny how the Kimber Solo never had any issues yet it had a short life span.
 
Doublehelix said:
I am not really a striker-fired guy, but confirm this for me:

"In a striker-fired gun like the P365, Striker = Firing Pin?"

We seem to be using the term interchangeably, and I just want to make sure I am understanding things correctly.
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That’s essentially correct. It’s just a spring loaded firing pin that sits in a straight channel. Essentially the equivalent to the firing pin on a hammer gun.
 
460Shooter said:
That’s essentially correct. It’s just a spring loaded firing pin that sits in a straight channel. Essentially the equivalent to the firing pin on a hammer gun.
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Thanks, that is what I figured. I just wanted to make sure.

I have a new P320 (X5), and it only has a combo striker/firing pin.
 
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