troy fairweather
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then they will just use something else, the news never talk about the people killed by other lethal weapons.
Yes it was. ANY death toll meets their needs. Remember, Mayor David Dinkins of NYC called for gun control after a tourist was STABBED.The Parkland Florida High School shooter used an AR-15 with a bag full of 10 round magazines. Was the death total there acceptable to the antigun crowd?
It'd be as wildly successful as those bans on crack, meth and heroin. Of course all of the casualties would be otherwise law abiding people, most likely lower income people without the resources for effective counsel. That of course leaves aside those maimed or killed in "wrong address" raids. But then they don't matter, do they.Absolutely true. But the ban would certainly limit the availability, especially years down the road.
...Bombs and other means are readily available that have nothing to do with guns of any kind.
If sitting around singing Kumbaya worked things would be all sunshine and snackie cakes now wouldn’t it?
Around that time, I was told that we need to ban machine tools and gun BOOKS.Yep. I often wondered why there was no huge outcry to ban diesel fuel and fertilizer after the Oklahoma City bombings.
Does Mexico have less crime?Honestly, sometimes I think it would simply because I believe the availability would dwindle. Other times I think mag swaps can take less than a second. I just don’t know. I just wish there was something that could be done without punishing regular citizens or infringing on our rights.
Around that time, I was told that we need to ban machine tools and gun BOOKS.
The totalitarian impulse runs deep in the anti-gun cult.
Ammo belts, high capacity mags, attached opposing mags, rotary, auto, semi-auto, lever-action, bolt action, etc were all designed to give access to additional firepower in a shorter span of time between reloading. Ask a combat soldier if high capacity, extra ammo and fewer reloads count in a firefight, ask if those seconds are important, ask why more rounds faster in a smaller package gives an offensive or defensive advantage. Ask honestly.
In this age of firearms technology, one does not use a muzzle loader for combat, self defense or mass shootings. In my opinion, the anti’s are mathematically correct about high capacity lead slinging but, for the wrong reason and resulting outcome.
Full-auto M16/M4 were built for the battlefield.AR15/M16 was built for the battlefield, not civilized society. (If you can call our society civilized).
And they are, AR15s by the millions.AR15 ... they should be in the hands of the private citizen.
The ones I talked to wanted to go MUCH farther. They'd have banned Small Arms of the World if they could have. When I told them that anybody with common machine tools could start churning out Stens, MAC10as and MAC11as, they wanted to license drill presses, milling machines, lathes and sheet metal breaks like machine guns.I do seem to recall a few news articles about banning The Anarchist Cookbook about that time. Of course, McVeigh learned his craft in the Army, I suspect he probably didn't need that book.
So constructive! Tell me more!
For the record, I don’t support ANY new gun regs. I was just asking if folks thought it could lessen the damage from mass shootings. Sometimes I think it could, but where to we draw the line? Would giving up some more of our second amendment rights be worth a life? 5 lives? 100 lives? That’s my point. I have no answers. Just wondering what you all thought and if we had any ideas for solutions.
The fact remains that a mag can be changed in seconds. The >10 round capacity ban doesn't make us safer it just makes felons out of responsible gun owners. The same argument over these "high capacity" mags can be made for banning semi autos and then all handguns. Deranged people intent on murdering will find other ways to do these horrific acts. Against my better judgement I added my 2 cents to this thread before it's closed.Absolutely true. But the ban would certainly limit the availability, especially years down the road.
The fact remains that a mag can be changed in seconds. The >10 round capacity ban doesn't make us safer it just makes felons out of responsible gun owners