1851 Navy & beginner

There's no issue. My guess would be that the nozzle, if you were to put your finger over it, open the flask and dump it upside down to fill that nozzle space would be a charge suitable for a .44. I took a quick peek at it but didn't see anything resembling a grain charge amount for the volume of the spout.

If you are using a separate powder measure (preferably an adjustable one) then it matters not what the nozzle handles.

Oh, and I have no idea how you'd tell which nipple wrench you'd need. I'd say send them a message and ask.

To sight that revolver in you'll need an adjustable powder measure. Something like this,

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/85/1/MAS-050

See the spout on it that adjustable powder measure, that's your funnel. From the flask to the measure to the chamber.

rodwha said:

I'm actually very fond of that smell. I like it so much I've been trying to figure out how to impregnate my deodorant and toothpaste!

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You really want to walk around smelling like baby poop!!!

This one should have a screw off lid - Take the whole lid off an pour in powder from your larger container. Not sure why the fella in the 2nd video is using the funnel.

There's a couple things you can do with a too large spout.
Pour powder into your powder measure and pour that into the chamber. That's the safest method.

If you wanted to be a little less safe, down the line you can shave material off the spout on the flask to reduce it's volume to set charge.

I have this Pietta wrench and nipple set:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Piet...er-Nipple-Wrench-with-Six-Nipples/1739303.uts

I feel like I saw it on one of those websites. But don't see it now. Imagine a Pedersoli or Uberti Wrench would also work.

Here you go:

http://www.westernguns.fr/chargemen...ment/1893-cle-a-cheminee-revolver-forgee.html

1861 said:

Thanks drobs for pointing me out that other flask, like the one you have. I too have decided to buy that type. I can easily order this one:
http://www.westernguns.fr/chargemen...-chargement/951-poire-a-poudre-tubulaire.html
- but is says "suitable for caliber 44/45". Now I don't get it, does that mean it's no good for .36 or what? I mean, WHAT could happen if I pour from it and my revolver is .36???

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This flask comes with 24 grains (by volume) spout - the outside diameter of the opening is about 8 mm and it is suitable for .36 caliber revolver. You can order different spouts and adjust the volume by shortening them, but do consider that from 36 grains and up the spouts have a bigger mouth diameter (about 10-11 mm) that would be somewhat problematic for .36 cal. See the picture bellow for comparison (taken from TOW site):


As to the nipple wrench: I believe that you need the 5 mm one, the 6 mm will be for musket nipples, but you can take a caliper and measure the lug width at the base - that will give you the answer.

I'm not fond of plastic. Seems cheap and easy enough to give out.

The volume is dependent on what you expect to do. Will you bring your powder container also or just the flask? If just the flask I'd look for a larger one. Assuming you take a .36 and a .44 pistol in the future and using a 20 and 30 grn load for them that's 300 grns per cylinders full. The 2000 grn flask would give you about 6 cylinders each with the choice of which to load once more.

As you have no intentions of hunting the size is irrelevant if you bring your powder container also.

The Pedersoli flask from France appears large. Not sure how shipping differs but it's certainly going to cost more from our side of the pond.

The 9mm brass brushes are sized for a .355" bore. It will work fine for cleaning a .375"-.380" BP barrel. The brushes do not have to exactly fit because they are larger than the bore. Unless you are using a drill press to exactly go up and down the bore it will make no difference.

I see we are on over 160 posts on this subject.

I hope you never get another caliber because it will be the same on another thread.

I'm going to change the subject. We are having bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwiches for dinner soon. What did you have for dinner?

Respectfully, I hope you had a good night, sir.

Just go shoot it and give us a report.

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I see we are on over 160 posts on this subject.

I hope you never get another caliber because it will be the same on another thread.

I'm going to change the subject. We are having bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwiches for dinner soon. What did you have for dinner?

Respectfully, I hope you had a good night, sir.

Just go shoot it and give us a report.

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One pound (lb) is 453.592 grams.

One ounce (oz) is 28.3495 grams.

A grain is a weight that should transcend metric/"standard". However grains regarding powder also corresponds with volume. Initially (for our purposes) it was the weight of BP. But with substitute powders it's the same volume that that much weight in powder has. But it's a little murky as not all BP weighs the same, especially when comparing that volume to 1/2/3/4F powders. It's not a huge amount of difference but it is different.

Oh, and your kit designed for a smaller caliber (9mm which is .355 inches) will just need a little bit more work IF the fouling is even that bad. Not too big of a deal.

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The .36 cal is more like .375" caliber or so as they measured by the lands back then and not by the grooves as we do now.

1861 said:

I wanted to order "A tubular shaped powder flask with brass body with a spring loaded plunger style valve" from British shop "Henry Krank":
http://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=26
...but they ask ridiculously much for shipping.

There are some available to me on ebay, from the USA, but I'd have to wait a few weeks. Which one would you recommend and why? Thank you!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162353720795
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222214318601
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331266402344
http://www.ebay.com/itm/390543730669
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230929776150
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162078626766

...and there is this one from great French shop: http://www.westernguns.fr/chargemen...-chargement/951-poire-a-poudre-tubulaire.html

So those are my options. I see that some are plastic (the black ones). Are those good? Or should I stick with brass? Does it matter at all brass or plastic? I'd like to order today or tomorrow if possible...

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I have the plastic one - it works OK but is cheaply made. Bought it when I 1st started as Walmart carried it in there hunting section. In the US every major town or city over a population of 10,000 people has a Walmart. If I was home in the states, I'd ship it to you.

I'd go with the larger brass CVA one and cut the spout down. Or just use a powder measure.
The smaller brass CVA has the same spout but carries less powder = you'll need to refill it more often - not worth it.

You might grab that original 36 cal pedersoli (non-cylindrical) flask, that you posted previously, and see if it will work for you. If nothing else it would look better in a display.
Otherwise this one looks identical to the CVA flask:
http://www.westernguns.fr/chargemen...-chargement/951-poire-a-poudre-tubulaire.html
You could buy 2 of these. 1 to cut down, 1 to use on your future 44 cal revolver. You know you need a Pietta 1860 Colt Army!!!


Get the 9mm cleaning kit. It should work just fine. When you buy a 44 Colt - all you'll need to do is add .45 caliber brushes.

You shoot right handed or left handed? Here's a holster that I'm currently using:
Brown leather:
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoir...aux/1824-holster-slim-jim-pour-1851-1860.html
Black leather:
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoir...639-holster-slim-jim-noir-pour-1851-1860.html

I went with brown but black is much easier to accessorize. Nice thing about triple k is all there brown leather products are the same color. So it's not too difficult to find a matching belt in the same color. Black would make more sense as you're not limited to 1 company's products.

The above linked holsters could stand to have a hammer thong added.

Here's a link showing the weight differences of various powders that fill roughly the same volume.

http://1858remington.com/discuss/index.php/topic,6410.0.html

As a volume measure is used its hard to be exact. Match shooters sometimes weigh their charges for even more consistency. A grain isn't going to be all that noticeable though.

Grains don't really transcend the "Standard" system since Grains are specifically part of the "Standard" British Imperial Measurement System. 1 Pound = 7000 Grains
However, since I doubt most folks here commonly deal with weights in the ball park of a few Grains, there shouldn't be much need to convert to any other unit of measure for comparison.

1861 said:

I had sweet pancakes filled with cheese. Bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich sounds even better, but it has to include mozzarella and a bit of a butter too.
160 posts of good knowledge, that's great, the more the better.
I'll have another caliber, Dance 1862, and soon, I hope.

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Sorry, no mozzarella, but lots of mayonnaise for me.

You have a good sense of humor, sir! Much appreciated!

Please let us know when you get the Pietta Dance .44 and compare it to the Pietta 1851 Navy .36 . I am very curious as to your impressions. I am bound and determined to produce my own Pietta Dance .36 when I get the funds for another Pietta 1851 Navy .36. I have the plain cylinder for it now. The Rigdon and Ansley .36 is next on the list before the Dance project, and I have that plain cylinder also.

Thanks, 1861.

Jim

Malachi Leviticus Blue said:

Grains don't really transcend the "Standard" system since Grains are specifically part of the "Standard" British Imperial Measurement System. 1 Pound = 7000 Grains
However, since I doubt most folks here commonly deal with weights in the ball park of a few Grains, there shouldn't be much need to convert to any other unit of measure for comparison.

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I'm a bit lost. My understanding is that "pounds" are only an American standard, that no one else uses it as their standard much as liters are used instead of ounces/gallons by others. Please school me on this. I understand that others have used grains, British for the sake of this, but I must admit, as they used it first it works out so nicely (7000 grns/lb).