Agreed, especially if you look at what Kidd has done with a 10/22.It’s far, far easier to make a 10/22 more “shootable” than an AR-22.
the AR pistol grip as it places the hand in a very stress free postion when pulling the trigger.
What should I expect in accuracy difference between a 10/22 say with an aftermarket barrel (nothing too fancy, say a whistlepig), and a dedicated AR-22 upper like CMMG's resolute?
That saying has never made sense to me, is that supposed to be a good thing lol.A 10/22 with a good barrel is going to shoot circles around the AR.
That’s itThe quality of the barrel and ammo used it going to dominate the potential accuracy more than the particular action in this case. They are both blow back semi-autos.
The AR platform can be extremely accurate. No reason a .22 AR can’t be as well. My Tactical Solutions AR upper is very accurate with ammo it likes.A 10/22 with a good barrel is going to shoot circles around the AR.
Is there really any substantial difference between the two plateforms
I reckon "running" circles around your competition would probably be better than "shooting circles" around them.That saying has never made sense to me, is that supposed to be a good thing lol.
In all seriousness I've seen a couple reviews on the JP supermatch 22lr upper and looks like it'll run with most any "good barrel" in a 10-22.
Market availability for one, affordability for another. That JP barrel mavracer referred to is over $500, their complete uppers are $900. I don't know of any other AR .22LR setup that would be as accurate. Whereas anybody with $200-$500 can buy a good (or great) 10/22 barrel and slap it on in minutes. For that same $900, you can get a complete KIDD Supergrade barreled receiver with bolt.Is there really any substantial difference between the two plateforms, 10/22 vs AR in 22LR? Both are hammer fired, blow-back semi-autos; both can be setup with free floated barrels and both are good platforms for mounting just about any optics you could want; both have many good options for excellent trigger upgrades; both have a huge variety of stocks/furniture to tailor the platform to shooter/application. If we are just trying to shoot little groups I can't think of anything that makes one substantially better or worst than the other. Sink enough money into either and I would think sub 1-MOA groups at 100 would be equally possible with either, again with the quality of the barrel and ammo being the primary drivers assuming it has a decent trigger and sufficient optic for the range.
It's really less about the AR platform in general and more about the .22LR version of that platform and the way they're built. They're not typically made for precision but to be reliable trainers that use cheaper ammo.The AR platform can be extremely accurate. No reason a .22 AR can’t be as well. My Tactical Solutions AR upper is very accurate with ammo it likes.
Talk about some cognitive bias cherry picking.Market availability for one, affordability for another. That JP barrel mavracer referred to is over $500, their complete uppers are $900. I don't know of any other AR .22LR setup that would be as accurate. Whereas anybody with $200-$500 can buy a good (or great) 10/22 barrel and slap it on in minutes. For that same $900, you can get a complete KIDD Supergrade barreled receiver with bolt.
I also don't know what they do to accurize the action. Most .22LR conversions or dedicated uppers are rather chintzy. My own CMMG .22LR upper is less accurate than a stock 10/22 carbine. Great for a trainer, not so much for anything else. Whereas you can either accurize the factory Ruger bolt, or buy one that is made to tighter tolerances. I have several KIDD bolts and they work very well.
For $40 you can have a decent sub-3lb trigger in the Ruger. I don't remember paying less than $200 for any of my Geissele triggers in my AR's.
It also puts the hand a LONG way below the bore line, and offers a LOT of torque against the rifle due to the increased leverage.
This increased leverage is one of the reasons so many folks point to the AR's as more difficult to shoot well than bolt guns - that tall profile is a problem. It's the same contributor to error as that which drives competitive shooters to NOT wrap their thumbs around pistol grips on their rifles, and why thumb rests exist on many competition rifles.
It's not bias talking, it's experience and facts. I have 9 AR15's, including one dedicated to a CMMG .22LR upper, why would I be biased against them???Talk about some cognitive bias cherry picking.
The JP barrel comes with the complete bolt and a charging handle. So by the time you add a Kid Bolt recoil spring and a charging knob the barrel prices are pretty comparable.
PSA just had Geissele SSA-E on sale for 150 and it ain't like there's plenty of good triggers cheaper than that.
I'm also quite sure I can make my AR shoot a lot worse than any 10/22 without even "trying".
Not the question, nor what you claimed. Both have the same basic accuracy potential. Both can be crap. Very accurate.22 rifles tend to be expensive, and need relatively expensive ammo to do so.I reckon "running" circles around your competition would probably be better than "shooting circles" around them.
Market availability for one, affordability for another. That JP barrel mavracer referred to is over $500, their complete uppers are $900. I don't know of any other AR .22LR setup that would be as accurate. Whereas anybody with $200-$500 can buy a good (or great) 10/22 barrel and slap it on in minutes. For that same $900, you can get a complete KIDD Supergrade barreled receiver with bolt.
I also don't know what they do to accurize the action. Most .22LR conversions or dedicated uppers are rather chintzy. My own CMMG .22LR upper is less accurate than a stock 10/22 carbine. Great for a trainer, not so much for anything else. Whereas you can either accurize the factory Ruger bolt, or buy one that is made to tighter tolerances. I have several KIDD bolts and they work very well.
For $40 you can have a decent sub-3lb trigger in the Ruger. I don't remember paying less than $200 for any of my Geissele triggers in my AR's.
It's really less about the AR platform in general and more about the .22LR version of that platform and the way they're built. They're not typically made for precision but to be reliable trainers that use cheaper ammo.