10 real life situations I've faced. What would you do?

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1. move. don't return.
2. move. don't return.
3. move. don't return.
4. move. don't return.
5. move. don't return.
6. move. don't return.
7. move. don't return.
8. move. don't return.
9. move. don't return.
10. move. don't return.

glad to hear you are ok. it sounds like you have enough going for you to make $$$ and live in a decent neighborhood. keep in mind that you can only tempt fate so many times bfore you end up on the wrong side of the grass.
 
Real life ...

The Big Guy must like you.Just like me,but my situations werent that complex.But they were potentialy deadly nonetheless.If you have a Glock23 thats a great start but get TRAINING even if its just your basic CCW course.For home defense and complex social situations in the neighborhood get a short barreled (18in)12 guage pump loaded with 00 buck.At close range a 12 gauge will do things that no pistol was ever designed to do.More importantly the sound of a pump shotgun jacking a round into the chamber can be intimidating enuf to convince the BGs to go find easier prey.The visual is intimidating as well."Assault Weapons"are great and have ther place but in an Urban and home defense scenario they have draw backs like overpenitration.You can spend $2 or 3 hun on a basic shotgun and be set.That much wont even get you started on a decent'Assault Weapon".Seek out all of Massad Ayoubs books,starting with The Truth About Self Protection and all the rest.Things wont be getting any simpler,but with the right schooling and training they can be made managable.Best of luck to ya in a search for a safer and saner life!I`ve been a musician all my life and I feel if you have a gun for self protection you should master it just like your insturment.You never know when you are going to be called upon for a command performance.
 
Great tips carpboy. I actually have a remington 870 express magnum Home defense model to which I added a tacstar 2000 and a coate top folding stock (tight corners in my apartment, full sized stock would be impractical at best)... Also have an old remington 700, yugo SKS, and a savage arms .22 rifle.

As far as training goes, my father taught me gun safety on my bb gun when I was like 7. It was drummed home every time we went camping for the next 8 years. I am also a member of a practical shooting club, though it's mostly for practicing on their range (which I do often). I haven't ever entered a competition or anything.

I plan on getting some formal training in the case that I have to move back to that dump... I will also get back into karate classes as I feel that I need a less lethal defense option in the case that I cc and am attacked by a drunk or something.
 
Although my answer for people in such places is to move, I am not so naïve as to think that everyone is in a position to move. I would say that the number of incidents described in this thread is not all that unusual for someone who has no choice but to live in an area like that, and there are a lot of inner city areas in America with rampant crime. It also has been my experience that people who fight back may get away with it once or twice, but once you’ve hurt or killed someone’s main man, and you or your family still live in the area, there’s going to be payback involving you and/or other friends and family. I congratulate you reagansquad (and your uncle) for having the wit and wisdom to get through it all, and I don’t see any reason in hindsight to second guess yourself. Sorry to sound so bleak but in some neighborhoods using a gun to defend yourself is just buying a little more time.
 
Were you honest with your mother about how much danger you were in? I can only offer that in that situation I would examine every possible mechanism to getting the hell out of dodge on a permanent basis.

- Gabe

PS:
You could just as easily get killed walking your doggy
Reminiscent of my favorite line from 'Heat' :)
 
Hello, first post here, I've been lurking for about a week and wanted to respond to this. Keep in mind these decisions are made from the comfort and safety of my work office but i have had my share of being in dangerous scenarios (though not as bad as yours).

1) Without ccw, i dont see how you could have done anything other than what you did.

With ccw - I would have waited for them to start attacking, and try to get a vibe if they were just releasing a bit of steam and would tire and move on, or if things were escalating. If things were escalating into something worse, I would have grabbed one smaller than me and take him as a hostage. Using the hostage to get out of the alley. This IS their friend and unless they were armed they would have let you go.

If any others had guns they would draw them at this point and since you're drawn first you would have had the opportunity to shoot first. I imagine with them being up close and personal you'd have the opportunity to get the jump on and shoot at least two of them in the face, which should stop them instantly. Any that are unarmed (the majority) would flee after that. I know - I watch too many movies, but that is what i would have done.

The thing about just drawing and shooting, there are soo many of them there that you dont know who is armed and who isnt, and it is likely that while you're shooting someone your attn is taken away from who is drawing on you. Whereas, if you surprise someone and grabe em by the neck, youve got control of him and can focus on everybody else and who is pulling stuff out of their pants.


2) I imagine myself doing the same thing you did. Even with a gun its too hard to hit a moving target anyway. Maybe draw and prepare for a gunfight, (hoping they would decide its not worth the trouble) in which case I would switch to intimidation tactics and actually start walking toward the vehicle so that I could get a better shot. Lastly, I might have run, but ONLY if there was something close by for cover.

My choice of action would have depended ENTIRELY upon what frame of mind I was in at that particular moment.

3) "One of them sticks his torso out of the top of the car, and sits in the window frame (dukes of hazzard style), and starts yelling "Where you from bitch!?" at me."

At this point I would have told him I am not from any gang. (Not that it ever made a difference when I was in that position before.) When he went back inside the window I would have began swiftly walking away. If it were a street, I would have begun walking in the reverse direction. If they followed I would have hand my hand on my gun, waiting for the moment to draw.

Unless there was nowhere to go in which case I would have had my hand on my gun at that point. When he came back out of the window with something in his hand, I would have drawn and been aiming it at him. Hopefully in the time it took me to draw I would have realized it wasnt a gun.

4) I would have done exactly the same as you did.

5) Same thing you did.

6) Would have gotten my gun, handed mom the phone and told her to call the police, crouched in a position with good aim at the door. If police did not come after 30 min i would possibly have tried to clear the basement myself.

7) What can you do? File a police report and, like you did, wait in ambush style for it to happen again.

8) Would have called the police. The thinking here is, with all the neighbors they dont know who called the police, it could have been someone from two blocks away. Also would have looked out the window to see if they were shooting at the house or not. If they were, gunfight time. If not, wait for the police.

Actually, thats my clear head talking. I tend to get an adrenaline rush and it is possible that i would have concealed my gun, walked outside and stood far enough away, in a strategically chosen location so that it appeared like I wasnt afraid while at the same time I can still run for cover at a moments notice. Would have hollered across the street and said "can you stop that, I'm trying to sleep". Would not have called the cops if I chose that action because then they would tie the cops to me.

9) Same as your uncle.

10) When the cop drove by that was your moment to run. Not only did it momentarily distract them, but if they pursued me, I would have pursued the cop. At some point this cop is going to call in for backup and confront us.

Glad you moved :D

Note in every scenario I would have been hesitant to pull the gun, because in those types of situations it is just as likely to escalate the situation and get more dangerous for you as it is likely to get you out of trouble.
 
Hey, thanks for the tips. On #10, there was nowhere to run to. I was already surrounded at this point. Plus, I'm not that fast of a guy... 5.0 40 time back then. But only a 12 minute mile. These guys were thin and athletic looking. I would have gotten about 15 feet.

Oh, and both driveby incidents happened so fast that I wouldn't have had time to do anything but either pull and shoot, or not pull. No time to run or anything.
 
reagan, I'm guessing your 5.0 second 40-yard time would drop to about 4.2 with a bunch of nasties breathing down your neck... :) The 12-minute mile is going to be a problem, though, if the bad guys are feeling inspired.
 
oh...... I should have been more clear. By "run" I meant "get in the car and run".

It seems to me that if you had any moment where they were LEAST likely to shoot or attack you, it was right there when the cop drove by. Since in their minds, its worth waiting the 10 seconds for him to pass by.

At any rate, the way you handled it worked out well too.
 
Ah. I got ya. :-D

In hind sigh, what I should have done was use my respectable vertical leap to jump into the back of my friend's truck the minute he started the engine... Oh well though.

Just because this seems to be the incident everyone is interested in, I'll draw ya all and ascii diagram of my best estimation of the scene.

b = badguys.

road
---------------------------------------------------------------
______
|_____| <--- My car b b
_______ x<--- Friend who owned the truck was right about here.
b |______| <-b--- Friend's truck 4 Fs in the bed.
b b Me bb
b b b b b b b b b
b b b bb
______
|______| <--b--b-- Truck we were looking at
b
b b

Well, this didn't come out as well as I thought it would once I posted it. Pretty much how it looks, except with a few less guys on me and a few more just standing around. They were'nt quite packed in so close either.
 
1) Taser time unless bullets start flying. Each one that goes down gets slammed face first into the nearest building until it gets boring.

2) Run/Duck/Roll.

3) Same.

4) Play a nice game of ball and offer to hook him up with some range time if he wants to sharpen his skills.

5) Same.

6) Move to back porch with 5 D Cell maglite, bludgeon perp.

7) Same.

8) Return fire.

9) Same.

10) Be somewhere else unless I'm in a horrible mood and am carrying multiple guns concealed, which is unlikely but could happen.
 
Beats me dude. Life has been easy since I went to college...

I did take my GF to visit that town, and I almost his some gangbanger in a lowrider. lol. I could see him reaching for something, but then he decided to drive off. I dunno if he wanted to punk a gringo, or if he thought that I might try and F with him since he was a red guy and that town has mostly blue guys. I do have tinted windows...
 
Yakima?

Wow. I would never have suspected Yakima of being a bad town. I would have thought you were describing L.A. Isn't Yakima near Ft. Lewis? I've been to Olympia, Tacoma, and lots of times to Seattle, as well as Spokane. And driven near Yakima, just never thought of it as a bad town. Glad you survived all those situations.
 
Yeah, Yakima is MESSED up. I hear the crime rate has gone down by 50% since 2000, but I moved out in '99. If you compare it to the national average that year, it's bad... But you also have to keep in mind that a serious number of incidents go unreported too.
...Yakima also has the highest poverty level of any town in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. It also used to be a major drug smuggling location, but then they made the airport no longer 'international'...
 
#10
Logical side--get in car when cop passes. Or...When you realize there are thirty black dudes coming in your direction (If it doesn't feel right, it isn't )

OTOH move to the truck area when you realize whats going on and produce a Winchester 1300 Defender. 7 00 Buck with a couple of reloads would work well. Not too expensive and a nice spread. Anyone not running after seeing/ hearing a chamber could decorate the concrete. They should legalize darwin kills for just this sort of situation. Hell the state should pay you for saving tax payer money.

:cuss: :banghead:
 
If I would have realized what I was going on, I would have been in my car. The issue with that one is that I thought it was my highschool's basketball team (Varsity, JV a and JV b)... I was friends with a lot of those guys. The biggest one looked just like a really good friend of mine and I didn't realize it wasn't him until he was about 2 feet away. I knew I was f****d right then.
 
YAKIMA? YAKIMA? I've been there and it doesn't look so bad during day light. I'd be packing from now on if I go visit it again.
 
A lot of people tell me that. It actually had the highest crime rate out of any city in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana and N. California. I guess it has gotten a lot better since about 2002. All of this happened in '99.

There are a lot of really nice areas around Yakima. Mostly West Valley and Selah. If you go into the city, especially the neighborhoods near the valley mall, the mill, the north end of town east of 40th, any road that is named 'street' (i.e. 1st street), Union gap, and some parts of the big residential area east of 16th and between nob hill and tieton... That's where the crime is. I guess that adds up to about 2/3 of the town. I think I'll draw you a map.

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RS,
With all due respect, what I would do to avoid all of those situations, and future ones that are certain to arise, is to MOVE! You are clearly living in a very bad, rough neighborhood.

You may not be able to move for a while, but you ought to start thinking about what it would take in terms of money, packing up, and getting a new job in order to move to a better part of town.

Also, be sure you scout out potential new neighborhoods carefully, and look at the crime stats, or talk to the local cops. A neighborhood that's quiet by day can turn quite lively at night.

MOVE! Try to get into one of those light blue areas on the map above, and make sure it's not near the border of one of the dangerous areas. You may have to share a home with roommates to afford it, but isn't your safety and the safety of your family worth it?
 
I grew up there (AC Davis Class of 1980). Was a rough place even then, but the trouble stayed east of 16th Avenue. At Davis (the "rough" school) there was a real culture of respecting each other's differences and minding your own business- nobody hassled someone else for no reason, and if you did your friends would refuse to back you on it.

I got tired of being surrounded by poverty in a town that never changed and left. Weird place- we used to holler out the windows of the school bus at the hookers on the street corners downtown, and thought it was normal.

BTW, it's a 3 hour drive from Tacoma/Ft. Lewis, out on the desert side of the state.
 
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