10mm or 357 mag

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you cannt compare a compact 10mm to a long barreled 357? and glock makes a sub compact, i think its a 29 or so, and the compact glocks are as accurate as the shooter. its shot placement regardless of game or target, regardless if your shooting a charging bear or a would be assailant with a knife. compacts are made for concealed carry, not target shooting. id put my G20 against a 357 any day, and yes i have both. i use to carry the 357 on hunts and hiking, now im selling it. whats more comfortable in your hand is the question should be asked. in a high stress situation if your not comfortable your gonna get hurt. Ohh and the 10mm never took off?? thats funny, it might not have been around as long but it certainly took off, just the fact alot of people dont like the recoil of it, hence the FBI wanting it downloaded. get someplace and handle both pistols, if you can shoot both side by side.
as far as not many options, hmm:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/harbour/347/10mm02.html
http://marina.fortunecity.com/harbour/347/10mm03.html
 
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Does anyone make a sub-compact 10mm?
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Yes, Glock.


Your Ruger is 7" long and weighs 27 oz according to Rugers website. The Ruger holds 5 rounds that will be severely slower from a 2.25" barrel

A Glock 29 is 6.77" long and weighs 24 oz according to Glocks website. The Glock holds 16 rounds with G-20 mags and will lose some velocity, but should be much better from a 3.78" barrel.

The 10mm is dying a slow death.
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There are more options for the 10mm than ever before and they are readily available online. Prices are often cheaper than 45
 
LOL I wasnt comparing a compact 10mm to a long barreled 357??huh? what I said was the 10mm is dying. Does S&W still make any? Didn't Kimber? do they still? The 357 is better for hunting, has a waaaaay more versitile selection for bullets, size of weapon and can shoot the light 38 outa the same gun. The 10mm isnt a better hunting round than the 357 and the 40 is powerful and more controlable
as SD round.
Oh and jmr40 do some better research my sp101 is the 2.25 version.
 
I have both and reload both, they are both good rounds. I carry both, but I prefer the 10mm for carry because of capacity. For target shooting hot loads I prefer the .357 because I don't have to chase brass or worry about bulged brass.
 
If the 10mm is dying, it's because an awful lot of gunners have failed to wake up and take in one of the best cartridges, and guns, to come along. It will be sad if it comes to pass. Anyone that can shoot full house .357 will find the 10mm a joy to shoot.
 
Its dying because there really isn't a place/need for it . I would much rather carry a sub-compact 40 than a compact 10. As for a hunting/field gun the 357 is better. If I need more than 6 357's in the field than I need a rifle.
 
I can not tell which way to go until I know:
1) Where are you, and
2) What do you want it to do?

As a side arm up in Alaska where big bad brown things would see you as dinner and not a threat I'd say neither.

In Montana where big brown things scare the pants off you I'd say either, with a nod going to the full power 10mm.

In down town big city where the bad things are two legged I'd say choose what you are most comfortable.

In no case is a full power 357 with 158 grain bullets a bad option
 
If you accept that the .357 is better, then you won't feel the 10mm has any place. There is information that might lend one to see the 10mm as BETTER than the .357, and many other cartridges, and would give many shooters reasons for using or owning one. Personally, I can do more things with a 10mm than a .357, 9mm, or .45. Shoot flatter than most, have more ammo easily/readily available on the person, and shoot a more powerful round IN A PACKAGE LIGHTER AND SMALLER than most. Isn't that enough to breath life into it?
 
Sharpdressedman .... please give more info. More ammo ? more readily available? The 10mm is very hard to find ammo for, and even then it is limited in its function. Most bullets it can shoot are designed for the 40.
 
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The 10mm is a slightly more robust round. Compare these ballistics for factory loads:
.357Mag
125gn bullet
1,400 fps muzzle vel
545 ft-lbs muzzle energy
8.9 TKO (muzzle knock out)

10mm
135gr
1,400 fps
590 ft-lbs
10.8 TKO

Buffalo Bore and Double Tap both market 125gr .357 Magnum ammo that delivers in excess of 1700 fps. In some revolvers, (I won't mention which), the .357 Magnum can be loaded even hotter with 125gr bullets and reach 1800+ fps. The .38/44 Heavy Duty (a .38 Special loaded to Magnum pressures) can launch a 173gr bullet at 1300 fps for 650 ft/lb of muzzle energy and a TKO value of 12. The .357 Magnum can drive that same bullet in excess of 1500 fps for 865 ft/lb of muzzle energy and a TKO value of 13.
To put things in perspective, Hornady's 240gr XTP .44 Magnum ammo at 1350 fps gives 971 ft/lb of muzzle energy and a TKO value of 20. Going by the above data, one could conclude that not only is the .357 Magnum superior to the 10mm, given the proper loading, so is the .38 Special. If the .38 Special is, then so must be the nearly identical 9mm Win Mag.
But raw data doesn't tell the whole story, does it?
 
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He's talking about carrying 15 round clips copmpared to 6. The question was balistics. If you go to any book and look up loads per manual which is more powerful? I load 155 and 165gr bullets in my glock go to walmart and pick up a box of the heavy 357, what's it gonna be? Most gun shops in Tucson and Phoenix carry 10mm hornady ammo, I bought 8 last month from sportsmens warehouse in Tucson. Fact of matter is you have die har semi auto guys and die hard wheel gun guys. Its not ever goin to change. I'm still looking for a 10mm magnum. And I'm puttin a 10mm wittness on layway Thursday. It is what it is. Good post I'm alsawy up for a gun debate lol
 
First of all, I handload. In this day and age, I do not understand why someone does NOT handload. I have all the ammo I want, for any cartridge, dependent only on monetary appropriations for components, and the motivation to go load it. With regard to ammo availability,I was speaking of what you have with you, and, for the 10mm, the nice 10 round magazines for my Glock 29, or the 15 round magazines for the Glock 20. Even the S&W 1006 packs 10 in the gun with a 9rd magazine. With a few spare magazines for any of the above, the poor .357 is left in the dirt, if not for convenience of how fast you can reload, but the manner of how to carry spare ammo.
 
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Guys, ballistic advantage for the .357 is often quoted from guns WAY bigger (longer barrels) than those often carried for defense, etc. Sure, if you pack a 6" or 8 3/8" barreled gun, you enjoy the ballistics. If you carry a 3" Sp101, or 4" anything else, then you drop a lot of FPS, and ft/lbs. I believe the 10mm is clearly superior in power in comparable barrel lengths, and additionally due to the greater cross section of the projectile. Your opinions may differ.
 
Glad you handload sharpdressed, so do I, have for years, love it ..... so. yeah the 10mm Glocks have more capacity than a revo....so. There is no way I will ever hunt with a 10mm since the 357 is better, there is no way that I would choose a 10mm over a 40 for concealed carry( or even a 357 for that matter) you 10mm fan boys aren't making very good arguments.
 
In factory loads, it's easier to find more powerful .357 than 10mm loads.

If you're deciding between the two, whether you handload, whether you already own a .38 or .357 or .40, and whether you prefer a revolver or automatic should be considered.

If you don't load, .357 is almost certainly the way to go.

John
 
The 10mm is a slightly more robust round. Compare these ballistics for factory loads:
.357Mag
125gn bullet
1,400 fps muzzle vel
545 ft-lbs muzzle energy
8.9 TKO (muzzle knock out)

10mm
135gr
1,400 fps
590 ft-lbs
10.8 TKO
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A quick aside about TKO- a 2300gr, 3inch diameter baseball travelling at 150 feet per second has a TKO value of 147...but I think I'd rather get hit by a record pitch than get shot by either cartridge.

As far as which is better? Well, 10mm has a slightly larger caliber (good solid wounding potential there) and is rated for higher pressures. 10mm also, as mentioned before, can seat heavier bullets. So, systems aside, the 10mm wins in my book.

But they're so close, does it really matter? I'd personally go for the 10mm for the capacity of an autoloader (what beats just one bullet? why two of course), the ability to suppress, and the lighter weight that can be had.
 
I have a couple of .357's and my brother in law recently picked up a Glock 20. We had a little informal shooting match out behind the cabin, and in my opinion there wasn't a nickel's worth of difference between the 2 cartridges. Accuracy from his Glock was similar to my King Cobra, and the chunks of firewood we were shooting at seemed to suffer about the same amount of damage from either round. Not the most scientific test in the world, but lots of fun just the same. :D

What it comes down to for me is .357 ammo is cheaper and my wheelguns are easier on the brass. My brother in law doesn't care how much he pays for the ammo, he just likes having more rounds on tap.

In my opinion you should try both, and pick whichever one feels right to you.
 
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"ballistic advantage for the .357 is often quoted from guns WAY bigger (longer barrels) than those often carried for defense, etc."

SharpsDressedMan, you are right; but the 10mm has the advantage of a closed breech, doesn't it? It doesn't matter. Buffalo Bore's 125gr .357 Magnum does 1500 fps from a 3" J-frame S&W and their 180gr does 1400 fps from a 4" S&W 686.
 
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Very easy and obvious decision:

Of those 2 rounds, which one will fire in an auto, in a wheel-gun, and in a rifle? "Who ya gonna call?"
 
What's the reference to rifles? I though this was purely handguns. So far, it seems, like anything, a standoff. If you like revolvers, you are probably going to go for the .357. If autos, the 10mm. Point for point, though, ballistics being somewhat equal, the 10mm gives you (potentially) lighter weight (Glock), less recoil impulse (from similar sized pistols), higher capacity, and easier reloads. FWIW, I won't be selling my Ruger Security Six. It's just too darn accurate! :D
 
No 10mm race gun is going to be as accurate (under field conditions) as a long barreled 357.
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I wouldn't put money on that if I were you. Nor should you bet on the cartridge dying. It hung in there for 20 years before a bunch of gun and ammo makers started producing in the early 2000's. It's more popular than ever before, and it's here to stay. Don't believe me? Do a quick search for 10mm right here on this board.

You seem to have a particular and irrational hatred for the cartridge, which is your business. But you need to stop with the ridiculous conjecture. You're annoying those of us who know better and making yourself look a fool.

Bottom line (once again):

The two cartridges are ballistic twins, and the most versatile pair of handgun cartridges extant. Both can be downloaded to creampuff levels or tuned up for medium game hunting or to make very potent SD rounds. Either can be had in guns that will give rifles a run for the money accuracy-wise.

Which one is right for an individual comes down to gun preference (or capacity, if that is a concern).
 
The 357 is better for hunting, has a waaaaay more versitile selection for bullets
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Just had to address this.

.357" runs from 110-200 gr.

.400" runs 135-230 gr.

Any conceivable bullet type is made in these two diameters across that weight spectrum, save the heaviest in either caliber

And no, .400" bullets are not all designed for .40 S&W velocities, just as not all .357" bullets are intended for .38 Spl. velocities. In point of fact, most .40's can't handle 200+ gr due to COAL. And a lot of .357's cant take the 200 gr. pills unless you seat past the cannelure (which causes other issues, like bullets jumping crimp)

I don't really have a dog in this fight, being that I own four 10mm handguns and five .357 handguns. Just FYI
 
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