10mm vs. .357 Mag

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And that, I think, is the key. The .357 is versatile.
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these posts stating the 357 magnum to be more versatile are funny.

i have both. there are low power 10mm better suited for defense (that are still hotter than 40cal), and hot ones better for hunting/wild animal protection. how is the 357mag more versatile than that?

not to mention, there isn't a 357mag that match a full bore 10mm out of the glock 6 inch hunting barrel.
 
The 10mm has changed me. I have gotten rid of all my .357 Mag revolvers except for my SP101 3", and I hang on to that to mate-up with my Marlin 1894c.....+ I reload and .357 is easy to roll. But, if they ever come out with a Marlin or Winchester lever action (I don't think it's possible) in 10mm, the Ruger & Marlin might be sold and funds deposited in the Ed Brown collection jar.
 
You go to BB for factory loads that sell 3 loads hotter than anythey or anyone sells for factory 10 mm and the pore oll 357 can be bought with more choice out of most any store in america. The lightest factory loads or not nearly as light or as accurate as good oll 38 wadcutters. Anf the 357 has many more choices for handguns and short rifles. If i want a harder hitting cartridge than a 357 it will be a 44 mag. !0mm is a great round for semiautos but its just another round to play with. Hand loaders can still pull more out of ether round but that still make loads for a revolver easier to play with. Not many 10mm anythings can shoot with a factory bought long barreled revolver at longer distance like a 100 yards, maybe 25. Just another cartridge
 
Hand loaders can still pull more out of ether round but that still make loads for a revolver easier to play with. Not many 10mm anythings can shoot with a factory bought long barreled revolver at longer distance like a 100 yards, maybe 25. Just another cartridge
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huh?

guess you didn't see hickok's 10mm g29 video. over 200 yards with 3.78inch barrel ;)
 
FMJ do we want to pull info for evey shooter that has got lucky or practices for that distance compaired to the average shooter or hunter???? How about a 45 derringer at 100 yards shooting some little a** target?? Oh ,you see Micklic shooting a little pocket pistol upside down at 200 yards??? The 10mm is no wonder cartridge ,just another one to play with. Buy what you want and shoot it.
Here's a real question for you. You can put a 40s&w barrel in a glock and shoot them with just a spring change added right, guys also buy 9mm barrel for there 40's and shoot the 9mm also ,so can you also shoot 9mm in a 10mm with a barrel and spring change?
 
Not many 10mm anythings can shoot with a factory bought long barreled revolver at longer distance like a 100 yards, maybe 25. Just another cartridge
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Not even close to the truth.....they both hold their energy very well out to 100 yards. It gets tossed around a lot, but it's true - a 10mm has the same/more energy at 100 yards as a .45 ACP at the muzzle.

Here's a long range comparison between the 357 and 10 - http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-367244.html
 
Here is some data from Buffalo Bore -

6" Ruger GP100 and 180 gr JHP @ 100 yards - 1401.6 fps & 785 ft/lbs

They don't have a G20 with a 6" barrel listed, but it should be something like this - 220 gr HCFN @ 100 yards - 1112.1 fps & 604 ft/lbs

Now, the numbers look stronger for the .357 until you think about it. the 10mm is sending a bullet down range that is 40 gr heavier and larger in diameter.

My point is, they are both flat shooting, long range (for handgun) cartridges.
And I own and handload both.
 
FMJ do we want to pull info for evey shooter that has got lucky or practices for that distance compaired to the average shooter or hunter???? How about a 45 derringer at 100 yards shooting some little a** target?? Oh ,you see Micklic shooting a little pocket pistol upside down at 200 yards??? The 10mm is no wonder cartridge ,just another one to play with. Buy what you want and shoot it.
Here's a real question for you. You can put a 40s&w barrel in a glock and shoot them with just a spring change added right, guys also buy 9mm barrel for there 40's and shoot the 9mm also ,so can you also shoot 9mm in a 10mm with a barrel and spring change?
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i only bought my g29 a couple weeks ago, but you're claims of it being only a 25 yard round is incorrect. even the 40cal/9mm can be fired at 100yards+ with reasonable accuracy (with practice). handgun hunters that use 44/500 magnums go much further. you should read up on ballistics/handgun hunting, my friend.

you can do a 40cal conversion to the g29. however, i have no reason to do so, as i already have several 40cals.



nobody's claiming the 10mm to be any sort of wonder cartridge, but as it can be loaded to surpass 357mag power, and in a 15+1 platform, it's performance is pretty impressive.
 
Heck a 22 can be shot to a 100 yards with reasonable accuracy. I have hunted with handguns for 30+ years and own'd 357's & 44's back them too. Use to play at shooting bowling pins in the mid 70's with the 357's and 44's a couple guys had 45lc. Back then 200yards was about the limit of play but to try to kill? We can allways talk about elmer keith, the 44mag and his 400 yard kills. Smart, heck no. My point is how accurate is you average 10mm at 25 yards and then 100 yards, not the energy. Energy is close when bullet wieghts are egual and long range shooters tend to load heavier bullets with less than max power than we all shoot typicaly. Its all about accuracy. If a 10mm in a semi-auto was the cat a** of pistols eveyone would want one or own one. I own a great 357 and a 44mag . I also own several 38's, 22's, carry a 9mm and for fun and comp shooting a 40 and 9mm upper kit for it too. For me, can't understand why i would even conceder a 10mm. Guys that my buy a 10mm first may never under stand a 357 so be it. If i want energy on target there are many rounds better. Not many semi-autos i have ever seen can shoot long or do shoot long range compititions with the accuracy of revolvers. I don't care what a person owns just don't try to pass the 10 off as a great do all gun. IT is just another caliber out there. Better than some, no better than others. And no it is no better than a 357 or has as wide a choice of factory loads to choice from. It my be impressive for the average semi-auto. just ain't everyones first choice or wants.
 
Threads like this are like arguing quantum physics and parallel universes. The basic reality is that both calibers are highly effective and great manstoppers. Both have high levels of energy, recoil and flash.

The .357 w/light bullet loads (125gr JHP) do not have excessive penetration, yet they can penetrate vehicles, tires and so forth. Plus they can take the lighter loadings of .38 Special, and they can be loaded hot or standard.

Not only that, revolvers tend to be more robust than autos. Springs don't need changing and you don't have to worry about frames or slides fracturing. Revolvers also tend to be a bit more accurate at longer ranges. That and ammo availability give the .357 an edge in my view.

That said, I think the 10mm is an astounding caliber. If I could get one in a fine steel setup, like the S&W 5906, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat!
 
I have both. There are low power 10mm better suited for defense (that are still hotter than 40cal), and hot ones better for hunting/wild animal protection. How is the 357mag more versatile than that?
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There's more to versatility than just ability. How many ammo places sell all these 10mm? Almost every store sells .38 and .357; but 10mm in any loadings are much more difficult to find.

...not to mention, there isn't a 357mag that match a full bore 10mm out of the glock 6 inch hunting barrel.
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Match it in what way? Now you're bringing in a specialized hunting barrel. A .357 revolver like a Security-Six with a 6-inch barrel can be used for defense or target shooting. It can use any .38 or .357 ammo without changing barrels or springs, and that ammo is readily available almost anywhere. And though it may lack the same punch of a hot 10mm round out of a Glock specilized hunting barrel, I suspect it would be close.

In the end, the 10mm can compete with the .357, but it requires changes in springs, barrels and finding the ammo. Even reloading 10mm is more expensive.

Although I would feel very comfortable with a 10mm pistol in the field, I'd always be more comfortable with a .357 or .41 revolver.
 
There's more to versatility than just ability. How many ammo places sell all these 10mm? Almost every store sells .38 and .357; but 10mm in any loadings are much more difficult to find.
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almost every gunshop in my area has some form of 10mm in stock, ordering online is easy as well ;)


Match it in what way? Now you're bringing in a specialized hunting barrel.
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the 10mm doesn't match the 357mag, it exceeds it in penetration, energy, and permanent wound cavity. even out of the standard G20 barrel.


I'd always be more comfortable with a .357 or .41 revolver.
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i haven't gotten rid of my trusty s&w 357mag either :)
 
Confrederate He just don't get it. Just another caliber, better some,worse than others. I guess a 357 with 200 gr a with 800 ft lbs is worse, along with several at 750 + ft bl's.
 
Typically, the "10mm v. .357" comparison devolves into a wheel-gun v. autoloader debate, which is silly. :scrutiny:

On the velocity and energy stats, the .357 fans talk a good game with 6"+ barrel-lengths, but in fact most who're actually carry a .357 wheely are packin' a 3" or less snubnose.

While the Glock 29 sports a 3.8" tube, most 10mm fans are packing a 4.25", 4.6" or 5" 10mm autoloader, which means the differences in real-world barrel lengths between the auto & wheel-gun have to be taken into consideration - even assuming both sets of fans are using the high(est)-performance loadings of their chosen cartridge.

But unless you're packing a 5" Coonan .357 mag auto, it's hard to compete with this ...

S&W 10mm 1006.
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'Nough said ... :cool:
 
Most people carry a 3" or less .357 specifically because they're not huge and bulky like the 1006. When I do carry a .357 it's a 5" GP100. What some people choose to carry doesn't change the capabilities of the cartridge.
 
Well Buffalo Bore does make it interesting! And from the data below say both are real good.

I like the idea of a 4 inch GP-100 firing a 170gr JHP at 1411 fps, and an 10mm 220 at 1201 from a 5 inch 1911 style 10mm. Both pack a wollop.

10mm:

220gr. Hard Cast plain based LFN @ 1201 fps - (Para Ordinance 1911 with Nowlin 5 inch barrel)
200 gr. FMJ 1,200fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs.
180 gr. JHP 1,350fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs.

.357 Magnum

1. 3 inch S&W J frame

180gr. Hard Cast LFN @ 1302 fps
170gr. JHC @ 1299 fps
158gr. JHP @ 1398 fps
125gr. JHP @ 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun

180gr. Hard cast LFN @ 1375 fps
170gr JHC @ 1411 fps
158gr. JHP @ 1485 fps
125gr. JHP @ 1603 fps

3. 5 inch S&W model 27

180gr. Hard Cast @ 1398 fps
170gr. JHC @ 1380 fps
158gr. JHP @ 1457 fps
125gr. JHP @ 1543 fps
 
.357

I don't have to chase my brass.

Besides out of a 18.5" Marlin 1894 Buffalo Bore advertises 2298fps/1468 M.E.

How's DAT for sum forum commando sh*t?
 
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Most people carry a 3" or less .357 specifically because they're not huge and bulky like the 1006. When I do carry a .357 it's a 5" GP100. What some people choose to carry doesn't change the capabilities of the cartridge.
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Choice of barrel-length surely does "change the capabilities of the cartridge," for obviously the shorter the tube the less is the fps/fpe outout.

That's the point with all the shorty .357mag snubbies for concealed carry. The short barrel gives up a lot of the vaunted energy of the .357mag (usually discussed glowingly in the context of 5" or 6" guns), while the shooter endures more muzzle blast, flash, felt-recoil, and concussive effect. :rolleyes:

Yeah, the 1006 ain't light (no worse than a full-size 1911, really) but if I want weight-reduction there's the 4.6" G20.
 
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