10mm vs. .357 Mag

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Whenever you are having trouble deciding between two calibers, just imagine being on the receiving end of each. After you do this, choose the one you would rather not be shot with.

In my opinion, as far as 10mm and .357 mag are concerned, it would be equally as bad to be on the receiving end of either.
 
Well of course not, but a .357 mag or 10mm will cause exponentially more damage than a .22 short
 
Between a 357 Revolver and my S&W 1006 10mm, I would take my 1006 any time of the day...

Almost identical power level (little edge on the 10mm when both at full SAAMI specs), more round capacity, easier and lighter to carry.....and my S&W is dead reliable and accurate.

If I want/need more power, my 44 Mag revolver takes over...there is not much "carryability" difference IMHO between a 357 revolver and a 44 one (assuming same barrel length).

I have no reason to buy a 357 revolver once I have my S&W 1006.
 
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I like both rounds, but some things that haven't been covered much are the differences that the larger bored 10mm might make in initial shock and wound channel. In simple terms, all other things being equal, the 10mm will cut a bigger wound channel, just as a .44 or .45 would over the 10mm. This may have some creedence. The other factor is a weapon in 10mm with a 6" barrel and 15 rounds, like the Glock, may offer some significant advantages over a revolver. For game, especially more dangerous game, the Glock can pump more rounds faster into the target. No one says you have to stop at 1,2, or 6 rounds when shooting an animal, especially one that may harm you. Given the choice between a 6" barreled .357, or a Glock with a 6" barrel, I'd probably choose the Glock. Lighter, more "total" power available (utilizing repeat shots), and I could field 2-3 mags (30-45 rounds) for the weight saving over the .357 and 2-3 speedloaders.
 
I went to Buffalo Bore's site and for heavy 10mm bullet their load panned out at approx 700 ft lbs of energy. 357 mag heavy load achieved approx 800 ft lbs of energy at higher velocity.

But lets get real. 100 ft lbs of energy is quite a big difference, but i'd be perfectly comfortable with 700 from the 10mm.
 
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10mm was designed to kill people and that is where is is best suited, Nothing more.

Not a very strong argument IMO. There are plenty of weapons designed to kill people that work perfectly well on other larger animals... the 10mm included. Actually, a large portion of the cartridges we use for hunting and woods defense originated for the military/LE environment.

As for the OP, the 10mm and .357 Mag are too similar in ballistics to waste much time arguing over. If you prefer to carry a revolver, use a revolver cartridge. If you prefer to carry an auto, use the auto cartridge.

I'm a revolver guy and outdoorsman/hunter. for me, there's nothing like 4" at 100 yards accuracy of my Blackhawk. No autoloader I have experience with in 10mm can match that accuracy. Oh, sure, you can spray and pray, has on business in the hunting fields, or anywhere else for that matter.

As for the accusations that carrying an auto somehow implies that you are of the "spray and pray" crowd, or less of a so-called "outdoorsman"... gimmie a friggin break. Autos have sights just light a revolver. Some of us even know how to use them. I also own revolvers, but I get a little sick of the revolver crowd making these baseless assumptions about auto owners.
 
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I'm a semi-auto guy, personally. But when my wife asked me to get her a nightstand gun I got her a revolver because it was the safest and simplest thing for her to have should she ever need it. Likewise, I seriously considered getting a 10mm for a woods/camping/hiking gun but in the end I voted with my wallet for a .357 revolver. I don't want the heft of a .44 mag and didn't want to deal with the expense and scarcity of 10mm since I don't currently plan to reload. I feel equally safe with either caliber and I don't feel that having twice the capacity (and twice the ammo weight) is needed for my application.
 
As for the accusations that carrying an auto somehow implies that you are of the "spray and pray" crowd, or less of a so-called "outdoorsman"... gimmie a friggin break. Autos have sights just light a revolver. Some of us even know how to use them. I also own revolvers, but I get a little sick of the revolver crowd making these baseless assumptions about auto owners.

I make now accusations other than autos do not meet my standards of accuracy. An auto that shoots 2" at 25 yards is a match grade auto. Half that is the norm for a good revolver right out of the box. You don't seem many autoloaders at an IHMSA shoot, now do ya? If you're going to take a 100 yard shot at game with a gun that won't group better than 12 MOA, you are going to be FORCED to spray and pray, even if deliberate and slow. If you can find a 4MOA autoloader that doesn't jam, go for it if that's your preference. I haven't seen one, though, except for a Desert Eagle that might as well have a carbine stock on it as it weighs more than most. That said, I do shoot a Contender from the deer stand occasionally, no small gun it its own right. :D
 
Thanks for starting the thread and the replies, I've really enjoyed reading this!

I don't claim to be a ballistics professor. And, I haven't read a whole lot of data, but what I have seen, these two rounds sure seem close in most of the math categories.

The recurring issue that seems to be the major separator is personal preference on platform. I would humbly suggest that is more of the underlying question/debate of this thread. If you're an 'auto-loader' person, then go with the 10mm. But, if you're a 'revolver' person, then go with the .357.

IMO, if I'm going HUNTING with a handgun, I think I would lean towards a scoped wheel gun, (clearly, this depends on the terrain). But, if I'm just out in the woods, and I want a sidearm for defensive purposes (against human or critters) I think I would lean towards the auto-loader. That being said, the handgun hunting is a theoretical idea for me, as I do not currently have an interest in 'handgun hunting'. (I am in no way casting dispersions on that activity, just doesn't interest me at the moment)

But, my biases are my biases. Each platform has pros, and cons. While I respect the history of the revolver, (I'm even considering getting started in CAS) I prefer the attributes of the auto-loader platform.

Again, in my mind, I sometimes think of the total power in the gun. (Now, this concept does not always ring true, as Gryffydd brought to my attention last year in an exchange involving the FN5.7 - and I thank him for that) but, someone did bring up the general concept in this thread already: Without a reload, a .357 revolver holds 6. (If there is a revolver out there that holds more, I am unaware) and a 10mm auto-loader holds a lot more. (Dan Wesson Rz-10 holds 9+1, Glock 20 holds 15+1) So, without a reload, the overall total power in the auto-loader 10mm is greater than the 6-shot revolver.

Sure, if you're trying to hit a target at 100 yards, a scoped wheel-gun would be superior (hence my statement above) But, if you have a fast moving aggressor coming at you, whatever platform you are most comfortable, and likely most practiced at is probably the one I'd want on my leg.

Funny thing is, I actually own a really nice S&W stainless .357 revolver, but I don't own a 10mm auto-loader. Go figure.:rolleyes: Maybe I should post a trade in the classified section.

PE
 
I have hunted whitetail deer and mule dear with a handgun. I would not take a 100 yard shot with a handgun on deer without a scope. However, when I think of woodswalking, and a PRACTICAL handgun for trail, hiking, packing, and hunting in general, it would not include a scope....that would just be too bulky to be comfortable hiking, etc. Thus, whatever gun I packed in a holster would be a less-than-100yd gun. Any difference in accuracy at 50-75 yards between a .357 and 10mm without the use of a scope would probably not be that big. Practical accuracy in the field is different than pistols scoped and bagged. From all the above, though, it seems the .357 is the popular choice, and answer to the question. I'd still choose the 10mm Glock for its comfort on the hip. When hiking, weight does become a factor.
 
Well, I don't worry so much about zombie ninjas out in the woods. I guess theoretically you could stumble upon a marijuana patch or a pack of mojados with their armed coyotes or banditos hauling cocaine or something, in theory, never knew it to happen to anyone I knew, though. Getting a lot rougher down in the big bend area now days, though, and hell, I might go for the firepower along the border now days. Yeah, I'm a little more paranoid down there. I worry more about 2 legged critters in the concrete jungle, a lot more, but you could run into deliverance I guess and, hell, it made for a good movie even when all they had was bows. :D I can see the value of an autoloader in the bend, though, I mean, since I can't carry a SAW legally down there. That's a whole nuther situation.

A cat or bear is going to be on you so fast, that magazine full of ammo is going to just be dead weight. I doubt you'll get a second shot off. You might not get the first one off, especially with a cat. That, too, is very low risk IMHO.

Anyway, I have much admiration for the ballistics of the 10mm, but like you said, it's a platform thing for me. In the outdoor roll, revolvers rule with me. Too, if I'm going to carry a G20's weight, I'd rather be packin' my .45 Colt blackhawk pushing a 300 grain bullet to 1000 ft lbs. Why not? I agree, though, I've always preferred a lighter gun in .357 magnum if hiking or back packing. Don't need .44 magnum power where I have hiked, nothing bigger than black bear and cats. Either the 10 or the .357 will do fine and on humans, the same. The threat leave is so low doing such activities, though, I feel light is right. A 3 to 5" M60 with adjustables has always seemed like it might be ideal for such, though I've carried K frame 4" guns with no problem. I do like having an adjustable sight just so I can set the sight for .38 special if I'm looking for camp meat. As good as the little SP101s are, their sights are fixed.

Ya know what? Just thinkin' about it, if I ever go back to the bend, I'll just take my P90. It shoots nearly as good as a revolver, about 1.5" groups at 25. Only thing, a 10mm shoots a lot flatter out in that open country. Supposedly, Ruger was designing the P90 for the 10. If they ever come out with a P90 in 10mm, I think I might just be a customer. It'll never happen, though. The old style P guns are off Ruger's radar, it seems. I won't consider a glock for several reasons. First, they don't shoot lead without an aftermarket barrel and I won't own a gun that won't shoot lead. I cast, it's what I do. That's enough to keep me away from Glock and there are few other 10s on the market that aren't HUGE or 1911s and I consider the 1911 not quite enough gun for the high pressure 10mm loads, tough on those guns.

BTW, I like to keep my iron sighted shots on deer to 50 yards with .357. I can hit 4"-6" groups at 100 yards all day at the range off shooting stix, though. I amaze the rifle guys sometimes. My cheater gun, a 12" Contender in .30-30 has a 2x scope on it. I can group that gun 3" at 200 yards off sand bags and have taken deer to 90 yards so far, which is a long shot out on my place being as it's mighty brushy. Very simply, the more accurate the gun, the more confident I am with it. Confidence means a lot.
 
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I prefer the 10, but mostly for the platform. Not that I don't admire and love revolvers (I do), I just prefer autos for certain things. Plus, from a handloading standpoint, the 10 can handle larger pills then the 357, or at least that's what I've seen.

But what do I really know? I've never had to use my 10 or anything else in anger, and every excursion in the woods I've made has only nabbed me a soar backside, not any game.
 
FWIW, I'm just going to throw in the 9x23 Winchester into the deal. It isn't exactly a well known cartridge, but I think it is worth mentioning. You get 357 Magnum ballistics in an autoloader, with the SD of the 357. You also get the easier reloads, lower flash, and less recoil than the 357 with the 9x23.
I reload, and I make my own 9x23 Winchester brass out of 223 cases. I get the once fired brass at 2500 cases for $115 delivered (less than 2 pennies a case, and they can be reloaded nearly forever). I load 357 bullets, the extra mm doesn't make enough of a difference in pressure to worry about.
 
As for the OP, the 10mm and .357 Mag are too similar in ballistics to waste much time arguing over. If you prefer to carry a revolver, use a revolver cartridge. If you prefer to carry an auto, use the auto cartridge.
I agree,
I carry a .357 mag. for outdoor defense and I would be comfortable with a 10mm but I shoot my Ruger Sec Six quite well and it always goes bang. So my logic here is "if it ain't broke.........But if packs of wild dogs and wolfs were ravaging outdoorfolk I might reconsider :uhoh:
 
For all you wheel gunners out there, don’t let the platform make you miss out on the caliber. S&W makes a Model 610 in 10mm.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...selected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=
I'd take a revolver in 10mm for free..... ha! Just kidding

Well guys a bunch of good opinions here. We've discussed the practical uses for both calibers/guns to a pretty good extent but the consensus I'm getting here is that the .357 mag is slightly superior as far as wallop is concerned.

I don't know if I'll ever have both guns to do any testing for myself but as one member mentioned, the numbers are out there. Now, if I could only get a decent job and some money maybe I could start reloading.
 
Remember the S&W 610 can shoot 40 S&W also. Anywho, normally for hunting I carry my Smith 44 and at 100 yrds, I get 6 inch groups open sights. Everyday and woodswalking, I carry the Smith 1006 or 1066, I can make a milk jug dance with either at 80 yrds so I think thats just fine. Funny in all the reloading books I have the 10mm shooting a 180 grain jhp at 1350fps and 728 ftlbs. The 357 is 1300fps and 676 ftlbs for the same weight/style bullet. So I am not sure were you folks are getting your numbers.
 
Boils down to personal preferance! an assigned duties to the choice rounds, obviously ballistics don't lie but both rounds would do several similar duties with sucess. The question is kinda like asking three cooks what is the best way too cook chicken. They all three could think there way is right, but actually none of them are wrong its just what they personally prefer.
 
For all you wheel gunners out there, don’t let the platform make you miss out on the caliber. S&W makes a Model 610 in 10mm.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...t_category_rn=

If I'm going to carry an N frame, I can carry .41 or .44 magnum, either one of which is ballistically superior. I think I'd like to get into the .41. It's kind of a cult caliber like the 10. :D

FWIW, I'm just going to throw in the 9x23 Winchester into the deal. It isn't exactly a well known cartridge, but I think it is worth mentioning. You get 357 Magnum ballistics in an autoloader, with the SD of the 357. You also get the easier reloads, lower flash, and less recoil than the 357 with the 9x23.
I reload, and I make my own 9x23 Winchester brass out of 223 cases. I get the once fired brass at 2500 cases for $115 delivered (less than 2 pennies a case, and they can be reloaded nearly forever). I load 357 bullets, the extra mm doesn't make enough of a difference in pressure to worry about.

I'm not real familiar with the caliber except I was thinkin' it was an IPSC thing for "making major". Can you push a 180 or 200 grain pill with it with any authority? If it's .355" diameter, heavier than 147 grains is probably not even available. Therefore, not in the same league as the .357 for outdoor use. Paper energy ain't the whole story.

I still think the revolver's big ace in the hole is versatility, light loads for small game (if you care anything about hunting or perhaps survival afield) and heavy for big.

I'm often yelling at the TV when watching Bear Grylles. "YOU IDIOT! All you need is a .38 and you wouldn't have to throw that stick at that rabbit!" :D Of course, I guess, if you don't mind eating bugs.........:barf:
 
My conclusion is this: With barrels ~5" or less the 10mm wins out in the energy department but add on another two inches or so and the Magnum takes over.

That sums it up nicely for me. Out of a standard handgun, I'll take a 10mm - more capacity in the semi-auto too. Out of a carbine or long-bbl'ed handgun, gimme the .357 Mag!
 
Nelson do yourself a favor: go out looking for large pistol primers to reload 10mm. Now I don't have all day here so let's cut to the chase, you didn't find them did you. You can expect that to be the norm for some time. Small pistol primers are getting scarce but are still available (even locally for me). They are specified for .38 special and many .357 loads as well as .40 cal. I mention this because while I have 3000 primers for my .40 & .357, my father's 1911 is now shooting factory rounds till??? According to two local dealers there isn't a large pistol primer on the distributor level in the US at present. Wanna wait 3 more years and hope we vote him out? Wanna pay the asking price for 10mm loaded ammo? Just a consideration.
 
Nelson do yourself a favor: go out looking for large pistol primers to reload 10mm. Now I don't have all day here so let's cut to the chase, you didn't find them did you. You can expect that to be the norm for some time.
If he did that around here he'd find them just fine.
 
it would really like others have said depend on what your using it for i personally when hiking hunting camping or whatever i open carry my stainless 4 inch .357 magnum and conceal a glock 29 so win win
 
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