10mm Super Redhawk

[Arkansas Paul]

Call me a Luddite, but I believe revolver cartridges belong in revolvers and automatic cartridges belong in automatics.

I agree most of the time.
I am guilty of wanting a .40 S&W snubbie. Not sure why, I just like the idea (maybe because I have a gazillion .40 rounds loaded and I've traded my .40 off). lol

 

[bannockburn]

Varminterror

When it comes down to this subjective opinion, then by extension, the 454C and 480R Super Redhawks "don't make any sense" to those folks - it's a style issue, not really weight or size, although it's convenient for them to use that as an excuse. If the style of the SRH doesn't suit a guy, fine, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the 10mm.

Never said anything about the 454 Casull or the 480 Ruger Super Redhawks; how did you come by this notion that these guns "don't make any sense" to those folks? I couldn't care less what the Super Redhawk is chambered for; I don't hunt with a handgun and I don't have any interest in these particular revolvers.

And yes in case you haven't figured it out by now I really don't care for it's styling; again I don't know why you think I would need to have an "excuse" in regards to the gun's weight or size. Why this has anything to do with the Super Redhawk in 10mm. is beyond me.

So to recap: I don't care for the Super Redhawk, mainly because of it's styling and I really don't have any need or use for the gun in any caliber. I also don't think the 10mm. is a good fit in the Super Redhawk; too much gun for the cartridge.

 

[CraigC]

The SRH is ugly as hell, no doubt about it. Their beauty is in their utility. I can think of no other revolver better suited to hunting with optics, that also lets you keep your iron sights.

 

[Varminterror]

; how did you come by this notion that these guns "don't make any sense" to those folks?

Um... Here's how...

I don't care for the Super Redhawk, mainly because of it's styling and I really don't have any need or use for the gun in any caliber

If you don't like the SRH for it's looks, you don't like the SRH, whether it's a 10mm, 44mag, 454C, 480R, 475L, 500 JRH... Complaining then specifically about the 10mm isn't really relevant.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

If I'm bothering with the Redhawk, I'm getting one in 44 magnum. Getting a SRH in 10mm is about like getting one in 357, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm sure Ruger wanted to put the 10mm in something like the GP-100, but the 40-caliber bullets probably thinned the cylinder too much.

Still, changing the caliber is easy and cheap for Ruger, so they don't have much to lose by trying.

 

[Elkins45]

^^^^ This raises an interesting question. In the age of production CNC machining, how much effort does it take the programmer to turn a 44 SRH into a 10mm one? If it just took a couple of hours for some whiz kid to write the new paths then they probably don’t have much to lose by giving it a whirl.

 

[Saleen322]

....The longer barrel will get all the velocity from the 10mm round, and it will be strong enough for thousands of rounds of shooting on the SBH frame...

I am of the same opinion. A very good pistol shooter told me long ago, when shooting precision events (and hunting) with a handgun, shoot the heaviest pistol you can effectively handle and he was right. So I like, buy, and shoot quality, strong, well built handguns. One of my favorite 357s is a Smith 27, the large N frame; I have a Redhawk in 41 mag, 327 mag in both GP100 and the Blackhawk version, etc. The 10mm is a good performer and my state does not permit hunting with autoloading pistols so you are limited to revolvers. Not saying the 10mm SBH is on my short list but I would never say never especially seeing what prices 610s are bringing now and knowing first hand what a 10mm does from a revolver. YMMV

 

[Panzerschwein]

Id imagine this gun, so scoped and with mooners, would make a riotously dandy long range platesman's pistol.

 

[Varminterror]

^^^^ This raises an interesting question. In the age of production CNC machining, how much effort does it take the programmer to turn a 44 SRH into a 10mm one? If it just took a couple of hours for some whiz kid to write the new paths then they probably don’t have much to lose by giving it a whirl.

Um... That ain't how chambering, boring, or rifling work...

 

[Varminterror]

Id imagine this gun, so scoped and with mooners, would make a riotously dandy long range platesman's pistol.

What's a platesman?

 

[Panzerschwein]

What's a platesman?

Steel plate targets and silhouettes.

 

[Elkins45]

Um... That ain't how chambering, boring, or rifling work...

So how much effort is involved in producing the gun in a different chambering? Boring and chambering should just be a simple tool switch.

 

[Varminterror]

So how much effort is involved in producing the gun in a different chambering? Boring and chambering should just be a simple tool switch.

See my post on page 1...

[T]he 10mm tide seems to be coming back in lately (as much as it ever does), and it doesn't require any significantly expensive redesign of the revolver, just different reamers and a new barrel.

Although, in contemplating it, I'd actually expect they're doing revolver barrels hammer forged, like any of their others, so it'd be a new mandrel, unless they out-source 10mm barrels for this specialty model instead - in which case, the SRH makes the most sense out of their Double Action line. But overall, still, yes, new chambering & finishing reamers, plus the barrels. I suppose they also need the set up to mill the cylinder for the moon clips - in which case, they have the program set up for the RH/SRH diameter cylinders already for the 45 acp/colt RH, so that would be a recycle as well.

 

[Varminterror]

Steel plate targets and silhouettes.

Gotcha - in that case... As a guy who spent much of HS and college shooting Silhouette, and spent most of the last 25yrs shooting revolvers at long ranges, 0-300yrds...

Is anybody really still shooting IHMSA with revolvers? I've made a few calls about shooting matches around here in revolver classes, but nobody seems to be hosting any more, since nobody brings them. BC's on the 10mm pills suck, and when they get heavy enough to have good BC's, they're not trucking very fast. The 10mm doesn't even keep up with the 357mag. The heavier 10mm's would knock plates over better than a 357mag, but wouldn't keep up with the Max's, 41's, or 44's, and by the time you talk about all of the Contenders on the line, it's no contest.

There were folks out there who bought Ford Tempo's back in the day, and that never made sense to me either. So I'm sure there will be people who buy the 10mm SRH's, but as a long range platesman, I see this as a long ways from riotously dandy...

 

[CraigC]

^^^^ This raises an interesting question. In the age of production CNC machining, how much effort does it take the programmer to turn a 44 SRH into a 10mm one? If it just took a couple of hours for some whiz kid to write the new paths then they probably don’t have much to lose by giving it a whirl.

Not quite that simple. Barrels are hammer forged, not CNC machined. Cylinders are reamed, not machined. Which means they have to allocate production time to make 10mm barrels that they do not make for any other firearm. They also have to have reamers. Then they have to allocate production time to build the guns, time that could be utilized for a better seller.

Of course, if a distributor orders enough quantity, Ruger will produce just about anything, even something they've never made before. The .44Spl GP's, for example.

 

[cadet3]

I want one.

Ruger will probably only make these for a few years and stop production. Its popularity will shoot up after production has ended and it will achieve some sort of cult status. Then everyone will want one and they'll get insanely crazy prices on Gunbroker.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

I want one.

Ruger will probably only make these for a few years and stop production. Its popularity will shoot up after production has ended and it will achieve some sort of cult status. Then everyone will want one and they'll get insanely crazy prices on Gunbroker.

Yep. I see this as being a one-off, short run item. Kind of like those .357 M77s they built for a while.

 

[Elkins45]

I want one.

Ruger will probably only make these for a few years and stop production. Its popularity will shoot up after production has ended and it will achieve some sort of cult status. Then everyone will want one and they'll get insanely crazy prices on Gunbroker.

Yeah. It seemed like almost no one wanted the S&W 610's (or especially the 646) when they were in production. Now look at the prices they are fetching on Gunbroker.

 

[cfullgraf]

Then they have to allocate production time to build the guns, time that could be utilized for a better seller.

Without knowing how full Ruger's production lines are, adding the 10mm Super Redhawk may be filling some idle time, not taking away production time from another model.

Gun sales volumes are down from the past several years.

I'm sure Ruger's marketing folks have done their research and just as firearm distributors buy special editions, Ruger may feel they can get a bump in sales for a while with their own "special".

I look at this as maybe the gun manufactures are looking at producing some special variations of their guns again like they used to.

 

[RealGun]

Varminterror



Never said anything about the 454 Casull or the 480 Ruger Super Redhawks; how did you come by this notion that these guns "don't make any sense" to those folks? I couldn't care less what the Super Redhawk is chambered for; I don't hunt with a handgun and I don't have any interest in these particular revolvers.

And yes in case you haven't figured it out by now I really don't care for it's styling; again I don't know why you think I would need to have an "excuse" in regards to the gun's weight or size. Why this has anything to do with the Super Redhawk in 10mm. is beyond me.

So to recap: I don't care for the Super Redhawk, mainly because of it's styling and I really don't have any need or use for the gun in any caliber. I also don't think the 10mm. is a good fit in the Super Redhawk; too much gun for the cartridge.

I wonder though if such a gun would make perfect sense to someone who wanted to shoot production revolver in Steel Challenge. The barrel length would be a bit long on the draw but the rest might be a very good fit.

 

[98Redline]

I wonder though if such a gun would make perfect sense to someone who wanted to shoot production revolver in Steel Challenge. The barrel length would be a bit long on the draw but the rest might be a very good fit.

How would the 10mm fare better than say a 9mm or 45acp revolver with moon clips, other than to give you more recoil and a significantly heavier platform.

I love Ruger's big bore revolvers. I have a SRH in 480R and a RH in 44mag. Both of those guns serve their intended purpose with aplomb but they are just that, big bore guns, intended for hard hitting cartridges. The 10mm while a good cartridge does not really shine in a large frame revolver platform. The gun is too large to be suitable for carry, and on the bottom edge of what I would want for a hunting handgun...at least in a large frame revolver package. A 10mm is in it's glory is in a semi-auto pistol. There it can get performance that starts to nip on the heels of a 44mag from something magazine loaded that may hold 10 or so rounds. In that configuration it is the big fish in the pool. Once you get into the large revolvers and the calibers they are chambered for, it's performance starts to look a bit anemic.

 

[RealGun]

How would the 10mm fare better than say a 9mm or 45acp revolver with moon clips, other than to give you more recoil and a significantly heavier platform.

I love Ruger's big bore revolvers. I have a SRH in 480R and a RH in 44mag. Both of those guns serve their intended purpose with aplomb but they are just that, big bore guns, intended for hard hitting cartridges. The 10mm while a good cartridge does not really shine in a large frame revolver platform. The gun is too large to be suitable for carry, and on the bottom edge of what I would want for a hunting handgun...at least in a large frame revolver package. A 10mm is in it's glory is in a semi-auto pistol. There it can get performance that starts to nip on the heels of a 44mag from something magazine loaded that may hold 10 or so rounds. In that configuration it is the big fish in the pool. Once you get into the large revolvers and the calibers they are chambered for, it's performance starts to look a bit anemic.

If quoting me, your comment should be in the context of competitive shooting, where moonclips are all the rage for revolver classes. That is the only way I have been able to make any sense of this gun and was discussing in a positive light. And don't miss that at closer range the ammo would probably be 40 S&W. On larger reactive steel targets or at longer range steel, just as in bowling pin, you go for the heavier bullets and charges (10 mm). But I don't know, since my knowledge of competition shooting is only cursory, having dabbled in IDPA and lately CAS..

 

[ATLDave]

Now USPSA revolver is strictly an 8-shot game. The old 6-shot .45acp wheelguns no longer have a competitive place. Which is a shame.

That's part of why I say that, if Ruger had made this an 8-shot, I might have been interested.

 

[ATLDave]

A very good pistol shooter told me long ago, when shooting precision events (and hunting) with a handgun, shoot the heaviest pistol you can effectively handle and he was right.

I generally subscribe to the same school of thought re: action shooting stuff, too. But, at some point, you have reached the upper limit! A SRH is a gigantic gun. To use that much steel to hold a mere 6 shots of 10mm is... over that limit for many of us.

 

[98Redline]

If quoting me, your comment should be in the context of competitive shooting, where moonclips are all the rage for revolver classes. That is the only way I have been able to make any sense of this gun and was discussing in a positive light. And don't miss that at closer range the ammo would probably be 40 S&W. On larger reactive steel targets or at longer range steel, just as in bowling pin, you go for the heavier bullets and charges (10 mm). But I don't know, since my knowledge of competition shooting is only cursory, having dabbled in IDPA and lately CAS..

Even in the competitive shooting arena I don't see the 10mm SRH as aptly suited, or more to the point, designed to be competitive. For steel shooting you don't need the punch of the 10mm, and if 40cal pressures/velocities are going to be the norm, wouldn't a GP100 in 40 S&W with moon clips be a better platform?
In longer range competition such as IHMSA the bullets available for the 10mm platform coupled with it's lack of a roll crimp are going to cripple the round when compared to rounds that are in the same recoil range such as 357 Max.

I really love Ruger revolvers, but this one may be a swing and a miss for Ruger.