10mm Super Redhawk

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ATLDave said:
I generally subscribe to the same school of thought re: action shooting stuff, too. But, at some point, you have reached the upper limit! A SRH is a gigantic gun. To use that much steel to hold a mere 6 shots of 10mm is... over that limit for many of us.
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If the demand was for moonclips in heavy enough loads to reliably handle reactive steel targets, what platform would they use, acknowledging that the SRH has the better trigger and grip than the RH? There is nothing in that question that has anything to do with how the gun looks, one of the oddest looking things on the market.
 
ATLDave said:
Now USPSA revolver is strictly an 8-shot game. The old 6-shot .45acp wheelguns no longer have a competitive place. Which is a shame.

That's part of why I say that, if Ruger had made this an 8-shot, I might have been interested.
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What about Steel Challenge, production revolver?
 
RealGun said:
If the demand was for moonclips in heavy enough loads to reliably handle reactive steel targets, what platform would they use, acknowledging that the SRH has the better trigger and grip than the RH?
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For the action shooting games, pretty much all the reactive steel targets are, by rule, set up to be light enough to be toppled with the minimum required power factor for playing the game. More power can knock them down with greater authority, or can help with marginal hits, but you don't need 10mm-levels of power to knock over steel targets in the action stuff. Maybe different in silhouette, but then you get into the issues discussed above.

This might make a lot more sense in an 8-shot. But a 6-shot?
 
cfullgraf said:
Without knowing how full Ruger's production lines are, adding the 10mm Super Redhawk may be filling some idle time, not taking away production time from another model.
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Oh no, there isn't going to be any idle time at Ruger.

I'm sure they have done their research. I'm not an SRH hater, already have two in .44Mag and .480 so if it made sense, I'd be all over it. It just doesn't make sense to me for 'that' cartridge, or anything else up to and including the .41Mag. It's overbuilt for the .44Mag but we are able to use that to our advantage with loads that are very long and/or loaded to higher pressures. I hope I'm wrong and they sell truckloads of them.
 
Sure, sure. It's just a HELL of a big gun to throw 6 155 grain projectiles downrange at ~750 fps, which is approximately what I suspect serious steel challenge shooters would use. Big, heavy guns are advantageous for soaking up recoil, but at some point the weight becomes an impediment on the draw and the transitions.
 
ATLDave said:
to throw 6 155 grain projectiles downrange at ~750 fps, which is approximately what I suspect serious steel challenge shooters would use.
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Really? Seems awfully lite and slow. Is that a typo? I don't shoot steel challenge so I'm asking.
 
I'm not a steel challenge shooter, either, but yes. There's no power factor measurement/requirement, in contrast to USPSA or IDPA. You want a load that will run the gun and make steel plates go "ping." Remember that there are rimfire divisions.

A couple of years ago, a semi-famous semi-pro shooter was effectively DQ'ed from a major USPSA match when their ammo only hit ~109 PF, with 125 being the minimum for minor/shooting for score. Her story was that she had accidentally grabbed a box of her Steel Challenge ammo and that was what had been chronoed.
 
I'll ask the glaring question in my mind after the last page here - how many Steel Challenge shooters are there in the US? USPSA is huge, for a shooting sport at least, but Steel Challenge matches and the SCSA, while they're a neat subsidiary of sorts, just aren't a huge portion of it, and Revolver class within those small ranks is even smaller. If the 10mm SRH is a 5,000 item production run, and is targeted at Steel Challenge, specifically, I'd be thinking they'd have to sell 3 or 4 of them to every Steel Challenge Revolver Division shooter in the country... I'd also expect we'd see some marketing material out there targeting Steel Challenge or other steel games in some way. Thinking about some of the 10/22 and Mark Series marketing materials over the years, the Ruger Rimfire Challenge even, or any of the SASS targeted marketing for the New Vaquero.

Just doesn't seem like Ruger would chase its tail after such a small market, especially without a highly targeted marketing strategy.
 
Agreed.

Steel Challenge is kinda niche-y. Revolver division is a small fraction of that small niche. And I don't see much indication that this gun would be "perfect" for that game. An L-frame (or GP100) with moonclipped 9mm is maybe more along the lines of what would be ideal. They're shooting light loads and no repeat shots (unless they screw up). It's all about the draw and transitions. Those are factors that militate against a crew-served-sized gun.
 
One possible use for this new offering would be rechambering to other cartridges. Unlike the standard Redhawk, the Super is easy to rebarrel and a 10mm could be converted into just about anything. It could be cut for .40/.454JDJ using the existing barrel. Then you could actually get those 230gr cast bullets to a meaningful velocity.


Varminterror said:
Just doesn't seem like Ruger would chase its tail after such a small market, especially without a highly targeted marketing strategy.
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Agreed. If they were targeting that market, we would know without question.
 
CraigC said:
One possible use for this new offering would be rechambering to other cartridges. Unlike the standard Redhawk, the Super is easy to rebarrel and a 10mm could be converted into just about anything. It could be cut for .40/.454JDJ using the existing barrel. Then you could actually get those 230gr cast bullets to a meaningful velocity.



Agreed. If they were targeting that market, we would know without question.
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I think that would be a really cool idea but I have a tough time getting to where Ruger would be encouraging the rechambering of one of it's guns, even if it happened to be a bit subdued....wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Just about every single other offering I have seen Ruger make there has always been a very obvious market they are chasing. Even when I don't necessarily play in that market space I can see the justification behind it, however this one has me scratching my head. Seems like a really odd duck.

And for the record, I would love to see them offer the .357 Max again.
 
No, Ruger would never encourage that but it may be an unintended consequence. I do like that they're thinking outside the box with that particular platform. We now have a .500AutoMag so anything is possible
 
Maybe this will be like the S&W 627 where the early versions were 6-shooters, and then they switched over to the 8-shot variant. I have never done any measurements, but it sure seems to me that if an N-frame Smith can hold 8 357's, a SRH ought to be able to squeeze in 8 10mm's.
 
ATLDave said:
Maybe this will be like the S&W 627 where the early versions were 6-shooters, and then they switched over to the 8-shot variant. I have never done any measurements, but it sure seems to me that if an N-frame Smith can hold 8 357's, a SRH ought to be able to squeeze in 8 10mm's.
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I think a 7 shot would make sense as the chamber walls could be rather thin for 10mm if you stuff 8 in there, plus with a uneven number of rounds, the cylinder stops would fall between chambers. As that is the weakest point of a revolver cylinder, it could be important.

Of course, I don't own an N frame, and am not looking at any numbers. Eight rounds of 10mm may may fit fine.

However, be it 6 or 8 rounds, I still don't want a SRH chambered in 10mm. Make mine in 44 mag, 454, or 480.
 
For a small subset of shooters - which includes me - a 7-shot is of no more interest than a 6. Having a moonclipped gun capable of use in the 8-shot division of gun games and also capable of handling a fairly powerful round without requiring a huge, long stroke to extract would be at least a little interesting. But 7 shots? Meh.

I may be the only person in America with that set of interests, though.
 
I think I got us chasing the wrong rabbit with mention of steel challenge, when I probably should have said silhouette. But again I know little of that competition either except I was under the impression that it was longer range targets, and assumed a shooter would be timed and be concerned about the speed of reload (moonclips). Just trying to imagine what niche this gun might serve or where the demand originated.
 
Yep, very different games. Longest shot in Steel Challenge is a pair of 18"x24" plates at 35 yards, and that's just on one stage. Most of the shooting is much closer. And the plates don't fall, so you don't have to hit them hard at all.

Best games for this gun might be bowling pins and ICORE Limited 6 division, although I'm guessing you'd use soft .40 loads for the latter.
 
In product development, I spend my time putting myself in the shoes of potential customers - I really can't picture the guy who looks at the 10mm 6.5" SRH and says, "FINALLY!! The revolver I have always wanted!!!"

When they launched the 44mag New Vaquero Birdshead, a few guys like me were pumped. Heck, Rugerforum.net has a whole thread on short barreled, 44 & 45cal Birdshead revolvers. It's just unique enough to have a high demand. When they launched the 327FM Single 7, a bunch of us handgun hunters were excited to have such a great option hit the market... When the 9mm LCR hit, lots of guys raised the roof... I just can't figure out who is now jumping for joy over this 10mm SRH...? Who out there is saying - "FINALLY - the revolver I have always wanted!!!" ?
 
Varminterror said:
In product development, I spend my time putting myself in the shoes of potential customers - I really can't picture the guy who looks at the 10mm 6.5" SRH and says, "FINALLY!! The revolver I have always wanted!!!"

When they launched the 44mag New Vaquero Birdshead, a few guys like me were pumped. Heck, Rugerforum.net has a whole thread on short barreled, 44 & 45cal Birdshead revolvers. It's just unique enough to have a high demand. When they launched the 327FM Single 7, a bunch of us handgun hunters were excited to have such a great option hit the market... When the 9mm LCR hit, lots of guys raised the roof... I just can't figure out who is now jumping for joy over this 10mm SRH...? Who out there is saying - "FINALLY - the revolver I have always wanted!!!" ?
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Ruger's been doing a great job of giving the people what they want, but no one bats 1.000.
 
460Shooter said:
I think a 7 shot would make sense as the chamber walls could be rather thin for 10mm if you stuff 8 in there, plus with a uneven number of rounds, the cylinder stops would fall between chambers. As that is the weakest point of a revolver cylinder, it could be important.

Of course, I don't own an N frame, and am not looking at any numbers. Eight rounds of 10mm may may fit fine.

However, be it 6 or 8 rounds, I still don't want a SRH chambered in 10mm. Make mine in 44 mag, 454, or 480.
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I don't think 8 would fit in a SRH. I did a quick sketch for a 7 shot 10mm on a S&W N-frame and 7-shots fits (better on the 627 bore height then then 625/629 bore height) but there is no room for 8-shots. A SRH cylinder is only slightly larger is diameter than a N-frame. SRH: ~1.790-inch N-frame: ~1.725-inch
 
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