1911 over rated

[40jjb]

In my opinion and have had meny pistols, I think the 1911 45acp is over rated, Now in days there is so many poly pistols that perform much better and are much more acurate out of the box, much more rust risistant than all steel, a great example is the GLOCK very low maintanace. With the 1911 has a nostalgia since it was used in wars and our fellow military man came with war stories using this pistol SO THE OLD HAS survive......!!!!! Any body out there would like to coment on this????????? Yes I am taking a swing at COLTS 1911 and clones!!!!!

 

[Soulrider]

I have 2 1911's and 3 glocks, I won't say that the 1911 is the holy grail of hand guns but they must have done something right as this design has been around for 100 years, wonder if the same will be true for glocks.

 

[jame]

I've owned the Glocks and Sigs, and also currently enjoy my Makarov quite a bit, but owning a 1911 is the first time I can say I really, really got to know my weapon on a very deep level. Nothing wrong with the "wonder guns", but the 1911 is like a partner. If I do my share, it will do its share.

The best comparison I ever heard was that owning a 1911 vs. a Glock is like owning a Harley vs. a Honda. One is a no brainer get on and ride. The other is a passionate sense of ownership.

 

[MrDig]

Sorry you drank the Glock Kool-Aid.
1, The 1911/A1 is the first blow back operated design that all others are modeled after.
2, The only better design by JMB was the Hi-Power
3, The longest uninterupted commision of a US Military firearm.
4, Any monkey can become an armorer for this particular design, Tinkering will not void a warrenty.
5, From a CCW perspective they are slim and fit under Lots of clothing.
I could continue but I won't. For me it is a pleasure to think that I can own a piece of history, Think of it from that perspective.... One of Two designs that all others basicly immitate. Three maybe Four generations of Soldiers depended on the 1911/A1. A 1911/A1 and a Hi-Power are two guns that everyone should at least shoot If not own.

 

[crashm1]

I gotta disagree

I've owned a fair number of handguns of various types, calibers and brands and the only one I keep coming back to is the 1911. For me the 1911 shoots better and carries easier than anything else I've had. I've owned 6 or 7 of them over the years and only one has been unreliable and it's a commander slide on a gov frame which I now know doesn't work (one of these days I'm going to turn it into two guns and hunt down the guy who sold it to me).
I can't seem to get comfy with a DA/SA trigger, DAO seems like an answer to a question I forgot to ask and aesthetically polymer pistols make me gag. I am aware they are lighter and all that but they are just ugly, ugly, ugly. That leaves me with SA pistols and revolvers as options. I like revolvers but like the edge in reloading speed a pistol gives, plus I find pistols easier to conceal and slightly more comfy to carry. Now we're down to SA pistols and I shoot a 1911 better than a High Power or CZ so it makes more sense for me to own lots and lots of 1911s. Anyone who has a 1911 they dislike can send it to me and I will dispose of it properly for you.

 

[crewchief]

As soulrider said above I doubt that you will see many poly handguns stand the test of time like a 1911.

 

[30-06 lover]

I like having the best of both worlds...The H&K USP.

 

[40jjb]

1911

I have a Colt 1911A1, Kimber, Springf, Balety de molina, Norinco, RIA, in full size and others in Com size, Officer Models, I also have Glocks, XD, Kel tec, Cheep ones like Bryco, Davis, Much more, Having all these desiner guns seeing what they do and function, The 1911 is the one they have had to twig the most to get were it is now, witch in my mind it tells me the begining product was not that eficient and reliable!!!!!!!!!!! Example you take my basic Colt 1911 and you take my kimber, major work was done to the kimber to make the 1911 a partner, Partner.!!!!! a Glock, Sig and other great ones out there especialy the GLOCK has been with minimal changes....... againe yes our men served in the military with this peace of work, Cuper said ones This is the greatest and best out there!!! Then he said But now they are making good models to.!!! refering to other makers, I think this is an over statement!!!!!!:

 

[Shootcraps]

It is an excellent platform.

Slim.
Easy to use.
Easy to conceal.
Excellent firepower.
Easy to maintain.
Brilliant design.

To say any one gun is the "best" is silly. It stands on its own merits.

 

[XavierBreath]

Any body out there would like to coment on this????????? Yes I am taking a swing at COLTS 1911 and clones!!!!!

Yep. I'll comment.

The 1911 vs Glock debate has been done many times over. It's as old as .45ACP vs 9mm. Time to let it go.

 

[XLMiguel]

I own or have owned Kimber & Colt 1911's (9mm & .45), SIGs (225, 226, 228, 232, 239), H&K USP (9mm & .45), Beretta (92, 85, 3032) Walter (PPK/S, P-22, P5C), CZ PCR, and Kahr P-9. I shoot all of them decently, I am comfortable with SA, DA/SA and DAO operating systems, but the more I shoot, the better I llike the 1911 for all of the reasons cited in the posts above. It just works for me. The 1911 has attained a well-deserved cult status for very good reasons, but like any other gun, it isn't for everyone, go with what works for you.

No dis on Glocks (I own other 'plastic' guns), I think they're well made, durable, and reliable. I shoot 'em OK, I just have never warmed up to the Glock 'safe-action trigger'.

 

[HSMITH]

Just another guy that has never owned a good 1911 or someone that can't objectively evaluate guns from the sounds of it.

I own and shoot both 1911's and poly pistols like the Glock. I strongly appreciate both, and both have positive and negative points. As an objective person I can see both the positives and negatives in each design.

 

[doubleg]

Wouldn;t trust my life with anything else.

 

[steelhead]

The only thing overblown about 1911's are the critics. Generally speaking, they are:

1. <30 years old
2. Have limited experience with firearms in both ownership and use
3. Cut their teeth on semi-auto polymer and have never even fired a revolver

That isn't to say that many, who are experienced, haven't decided that the 1911 isn't for them. However, they generally don't go around slamming the 1911 because they still recognize the merits of the design and know that it is still an excellent choice.

BTW - There is also nothing wrong with a Glock or even a Hi-Point as long as it is reliable and you can shoot well with it.

 

[ugaarguy]

I think the 1911 45acp is over rated, Now in days there is so many poly pistols that perform much better and are much more acurate out of the box, much more rust risistant than all steel,

Materials and Performance are two entirely different things.


Materials - The poly pistols still have steel slides, either carbon or stainless. If your metal slide rusts out, then your rustless poly frame is useless until the slide gets replaced. Further, any corrosion resistant treatment that can be done to the steel slide of a poly pistol can be done to the steel of a 1911. Yes you can get titanium slides for some poly pistols, but you can also get Ti slides & frames, Al frames & stainless slides, and even a factory scandium frame (from S&W) on 1911s. You can also get poly frame 1911s from Kimber, Wilson, & STI. Ohh, and old fashioned parkerizing still works just fine on carbon steel for beating rust and holding up to hard use.

Performance - 1911s (to include poly frames like STI & SVI) are still dominant in competition shooting. 1911s are still the choice of some of the top professional fighters - FBI HRT, US Marine Expeditionary Units as examples. 1911s have also proven their durability and reliability thru their near 100 year history in US military (the first 70 years as standard issue, the balance in use by specialized units), and civillian use.

There's a reason 1911s have endured, and it isn't by being over rated.

 

[Steve C]

That isn't to say that many, who are experienced, haven't decided that the 1911 isn't for them. However, they generally don't go around slamming the 1911 because they still recognize the merits of the design and know that it is still an excellent choice.

I agree with steelhead. I own 1911's an other guns. Its just one of the tools in the box that's great for some uses and not so great for others.

 

[Warbow]

The 1911 is the one they have had to twig the most to get were it is now, witch in my mind it tells me the begining product was not that eficient and reliable!!!!!!!!!!!

That's because they aren't built like they once were.

If you get a true 1911A1 (Remington Rand, Ithaca, etc.) that hasn't been touched by some bored garage gunsmith "improving" it, it will run just as well as any of the more recent designs.

That's not to say that you can't find a 1911 from a modern manufacturer that won't run well straight from the box, just that you have to do your research to find it.

So I definitely don't think the 1911 is overrated. The market has just been flooded with variants (and lousy manufacturing) that stray from the tried and true design configuration that served well for decades.

 

[Chucksredvette]

It seems like most of the people that want to slam the 1911 vs the wonder pistols use the same tactics(emotion) as the antis use against us all. You have to wonder why someone would come in here and intentionally try to start a fight.

 

[10-Ring]

Nothing finer than a properly tuned 1911. If it's gotta be explained, you'll never get it

 

[daysleeprx]

Why are these polls even allowed to stay open...

 

[two tone]

sure it's an overated firearm. the only think it has going for it is that it makes a good range gun, and probably a decent carry gun because of the slimness. i am speaking of full size versions btw. i know the commander size is a very good carry weapon chambered in 45acp of course.

now adays i think think the 1911 is deerly loved by the ccw folks. almost like it has been retired by the men in uniform and moved on to a more cozzy spot for us civilians.

 

[redneckdan]

cause we have nothin better to do. If I could only own one handgun, I'd have to go with my SA mil-spec, only reason is because my 6" k frame isn't really a candidate for CPL use.

 

[MICHAEL T]

"If you are aware, ready to do battle if it insists on coming to you and proficient with the gun you carry, even if its design dates from the previous turn of the century, you probably won't be seriously handicapped because you don't have the gun on the cover of this month's gun magazine."
Stephen Wenger


I do my pistol fighting with a 1911 given a choice. I don't like and will never own that plastic fantistic, opps I shot my leg Block

 

[kbheiner7]

Nothing finer than a properly tuned 1911. If it's gotta be explained, you'll never get it

Agreed. Makes me wonder if you'd have to tell some guys that Grace Kelly was pretty.

 

[mljdeckard]

Mdig said what I was thinking.

Get a book on detail-stripping a 1911. Anyone who can find their butt with two hands or less can do this. Try the same thing with a Glock. You will make many mistakes.

The 1911 is 100 years old. Do you think that 100 years from now, Glocks will be MORE popular than they are now?

If there are so many pistols so vastly superior, someone forgot to tell Fleet Marine Recon.

I have carried S&W, Glock, Beretta, Ruger, and Sig. It always came back to what I know works for me, not what the industry is telling me I should switch to.

A glock trigger will always be gooey.