2 Mishaps with a new shooter at the range today.

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So I took a buddy of mine from work to the range today and we had two mishaps neither of which caused major safety violations but both bothered me deeply.

1. Before going to the range we went to one of my favorite gun stores Keith's Guns in Gresham, because last I knew they had the Kel-Tec P3AT that my friend has been looking at. We went there and it turned out that all the Keltecs were at the gun show that is going on in Portland this weekend so they did not have any in the store, ok that's fine out of stock guns happen. We also needed some .38S/W ammo for my friends newly found Iver Johnson revolver, (mentioned in a previous post) Oddly enough most of the useful expert staff was at the show so there were less experienced employees there. I went to the counter and told them we needed .38S&W. The employee first handed me a box of .38spl and I said no we do need the S&W, its a different round so she found me a box marked 38S&W special 150gr. The brand was something I didn't recognize but it sounded right so I got it. As we got to the car I opened the box and realized these were NOT the rounds I wanted. Much larger than the few rounds of .38S&W that we had found in the pistol case. We went back in and they promptly refunded us and that was the end of that but it just bugged me because this shop has always been exemplary and handing out the wrong Ammo is a dangerous accident. FYI we did bring the revolver into the shop.

2. Once we arrived at the range my buddy was disappointed because the shop did not have the proper ammo and although the range queen (her title not mine) said she normally stocked it she happened to be out. So we bought ammo for the other guns we brought and I rented an XD in .40 she handed me the gun and a box of .40 I pulled the XD out of the bucket and loaded the mag with 8rounds noticing that the rounds were sitting oddly but I didn't think much of it. So I smacked the XD mag into the gun and fired. After one round it jammed, I tried to clear it and it would not clear. I ended up using my pocket knife to pull the casing out of the chamber and realized it had split. I had never had a case split so I looked closer at the gun and saw the slide marked. .45ACP. Yes I had just filled a .45 with .40S&W and the larger chamber caused the case split. I brought the gun back up to the counter and the lady handed me the proper gun and apologized for the error. Turns out another employee had accidentally put the .45 and .40XD's both in the wrong spots after another member had rented both.

Do you guys generally double check rental guns?

Please help me explain any mistakes that I made in either of these situations.
 
I don't trust ANYONE when it comes to guns. My SOP is that I check for everything, I don't trust MYSELF. Whenever I pick up a gun I go through the same routine, make sure I am holding an empty gun of X caliber, I have so much different ammo, I check. I am on of the most lax people in most every aspect of my life it make me laugh. When it comes to safety, I'm anal. I've had people say, "don't you trust me?", hell, I don't trust me.
 
Well, as far as mistakes, not really much to say. In situation 1, it might have been helpful to know that .38S&W is not the same as .38 S&W Special, but the lady at the gun shop should have double checked since most folks say .38 Special instead of .38 S&W Special.

In situation 2, it sounds like they messed up again. Whenever I'm dealing with an unfamiliar gun, be it a buddy's or range's, I always double check the gun and cartridges just to make sure no one handed me the wrong thing. I usually like to give the gun a quick once-over anyway, looking for anything that might be out of place or damaged.

But, in the end, I think you did well. You realized in both cases something wasn't right and you stopped there and figured it out. No one got hurt, nothing was damaged and you'll probably check cartridges more closely from now on. :)
 
I also like keiths, but that Lady that works in there is a Bad Mood Betty. She needs a lesson in customer service.
 
Like has been said, "I don't trust anyone handling, fondling, (or any
other adjective used to describe firearms) that are owned by me, period.
I arrive at the range with MY weapons securely stored in proper cases, I
go down range and load MY own magazines and cylinders, and I shoot
until I'm done. Once completed, I safely secure all firearms and go 'bout my buisness.

With that said, there is NO room for errors and stupid mistakes such as
you described. Accidents do happen, but experienced shooters such as
myself check and re-check all the variables too make sure that we are
complying with all the safety aspects of handguning. The hiring of all
incompetent persons by the powers to be at the range is a huge NO-
NO; a more qualified and experienced staff is a MUST~! ;) :D
 
IMO, in the first case, the lady at the counter did not do much that was wrong. It was up to the buyer to know definitely what he/she is buying. The counter folks, no matter how knowledgable, can only do so much to determine what the customer needs. When she came back with .38 SW Spec, it was decided by the buyer that it was correct after refusing the first offering. Now if the buyer had said something like .380 Special, the counter person should question further and possibly have the individual bring in the gun to be certain.

As for the second, IMO, the problem could have been averted by both sides. All of the XDs I have ahave the caliber engraced on the outside of the chamber and the model number on the side of the slide. Small .40s in a big .45 mag and a larger frame to hold on to are also good indicators. I've never rented a gun before but I think that if I were to, it would probably be something I didn't own and would give the gun a good once over to get acquainted with it.

In short, to overcome some of the simple mistakes of others, be more observent and detailed yourself. You can't fix the shortcomings of others but you can make the correction when the responsibility falls on to you.

Don't be too concerned about the .40 in the .45. Seen that and 9 into .40 on occassion. Worst that has happened is a bulged case with some splitting some not. You weren't the first, you won't be the last.
 
Check everything every time. Think of the most dedicated born again Christian you have ever met. Substitute “gun safety” for “born again Christian” and you have my basic approach.
 
Always check a gun that you recieve from someone else for
1) Function & condition
2) cleanliness
3) Caliber

4) ALWAYS TREAT AS LOADED, I have been present at the range more than a few times where someone put a hole in the floor or ceiling by ignoring #4

I have seen rental guns with cracked frames, broken or worn out springs, and one 10/22 about 10 years ago with a stuck forward firing pin dumped out a 25 rd clip with 1 pull of the trigger(made me jump at first, but got used to it before they took back that rental:evil: )

About the worst I have personally seen was a 3" slug get mixed in with some guys 2 3/4" buck in a single shot 12ga (yes it will chamber) it kaboomed the gun into 3 peices, thankfully noone was hurt.
 
Treating a gun as loaded should be a given....I was giving adivce on accepting a firearm from someone else (borrow, rental, etc).
 
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