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Vern,

Interesting comment about failure rate.

I have never had any problems with Remington's L.R. but I see complaints every so often.

On the other hand I experience problems with Winchesters L.R. but have not seen many complaints about it.

I have a brick of Federals L.R. I need to test.

So far I have had no issues with 22 WMR but I'm just getting started. However I can not recall seeing or hearing about problems with WMR's. One must keep in mind that there are a lot of use, abused, old, neglected, various quality 22 L.R.'s firearms out there.

But to be fair I have seen problems with center fire ammo over the years.
 
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Seems awful awful high to me!

I have owned a Winchester 9422M and a Colt .22 convertible for about 45 years and I can't remember ever having a misfire with .22 WMR in either gun.

I guess my failure rate is 0%.

Maybe new ammo today is that bad, but the older Winchester Super-X & CCI sure isn't.
Glad I stocked up years ago if it is.

rc
 
George29, the way you get to conclusions is not the same as I. Your conclusions and the way you see them happening are also not the same as I. Please do not generalize your opinion as mine. There are many things in life I wouldn't let someone else do to or at me and many of them have nothing to do with how I would prepare for self defense.
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Oh my, did you take my post personally?
 
RC, BSA
I guess my failure rate is 0%.
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Interesting comment about failure rate.
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I was stating that even IF the failure rate was 20% it still left me enough to still deal with the problem. IF was the key word here.
 
First misfire? Keep pulling the trigger. That's the beauty of a revolver. Besides, in a defensive shooting I doubt one will shoot (and look), shoot (and look). One keeps shooting until the threat is down or you are out of bullets.
 
If you're still able to keep pulling the trigger. Gunfights don't last very long and the guy who wastes the first fraction of a second might not come out the winner.
 
George29, not personally. I simply find it irritating when others use odd logic to deduce conclusions and then state we all agree on them. My point is to not assume we all think as you nor agree with your logic.
 
"If you're still alive after the first misfire.

If you're still able to keep pulling the trigger. Gunfights don't last very long and the guy who wastes the first fraction of a second might not come out the winner."

Actually Vern it is usually the bad guys gun that fails to fire.
 
I am no expert and thank God, never had to shoot at someone before, and I do pray that I never have to.
But I do think shot placement is king. If you can put a .22LR bullet in a brain, its lights out, no need to argue that. Unless there are proof this is not enough?? They drop pretty big animals to be slaughtered with a headshot using .22's on farms.
But here comes the problem...Can you really put a bullet in a brain reliably with a pocket handgun, like a NAA Mini? If the answer is no, then you need to shoot with more powerfull cartridges.
I myself will feel better armed with my S&W 6'' target .22 pistol than with a 1.5'' .38 snubby. Just because I can't even pull off a headshot at in indoor range with one. This is my own oppinion and I might be very wrong.
There are no dispute that a bigger caliber does a better job. I myself carry a PT709 which is a 9mmP and I know it does more damage than my .22LR, even if shot out of my rifle with a 20'' barrel.
Do I feel well armed with it?? not really, not because I don't trust the caliber, but only because I have not yet mastered the 9mm accuracy wise. I will still need a lot of practice to increase my accuracy with it.
So my oppinion is this, if you can't hit a brain or heart with your handgun, especially when it is a .22LR/Magnum, then you might just put yourself at risk.
A .38 snubby kicks hard. To suggest it for a woman is not really good advice. I'd say, get the most powerfull gun of which you can handle the recoil, and practice to shoot it where it counts. Accuracy is worth more than absolute power.
 
I love all these debates about the need for high caliber, high velocity, and lots of rounds. The best defensive weapon is your brain. And that will tell you to stay away from crack houses and stay out of gang infested areas. As far as I know, there has never been anyone who said that they didn't mind being shot by a .22 magnum. If your wife is comfortable with it, then she should use it. It will serve her well on that rare occassion that she needs it.
 
"If you're still alive after the first misfire.

If you're still able to keep pulling the trigger. Gunfights don't last very long and the guy who wastes the first fraction of a second might not come out the winner."

Actually Vern it is usually the bad guys gun that fails to fire.
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That's true -- you see it all the time on TV shows.:D

In fact, .22s are often used by the criminal element -- which is one advantage the good guys have. I don't want to throw it away.;)
 
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There are 6 shot snubs available in .357, and even a 7 shot. Ruger Speed Six series is a 6 shot. Smith & Wesson makes a 2 1/2" 686 PLUS, a 7 shot 357.
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Both of which are considerably larger and heavier than an LCR in any caliber. I love my 586, but an L-frame is not a pocket gun, even with a 2 1/2" barrel and a boot grip. (Kind of like when people get excited about the idea of an 8-shot .357 snub like a 627, and then realize while it may only have a 2" barrel, it still weights 40-oz and needs a good gun belt.)

As for the original question, would I be comfortable with a .22 Magnum? Sure, if it's a gun I can shoot accurately and is reliable. I used to carry a Ruger Single-Six with .22 Magnum cylinder installed out hiking regularly. I've thought about getting an LCR-22Mag for a fishing vest gun too. My experience has been that .22 Magnum ammo is more reliable than .22LR, from an ignition perspective. So there is that to consider as well.
 
Personally, I would depend on the 22 LR AND the 22 Mag cartridges for personal defense in a concealed weapon (i.e. one that is carried out and about). The only caveat would be that it has to be from a revolver and it has to be double action revolver. I would not trust my life to a semi chambered in those calibers if I could help it. On top of that, I would employ either Crimson Trace laser grips or a LaserLyte Sight. All other factors, such as weight, size, capacity would also play into the decision.

In fact, I'm in the process of spending close to $2K on a couple of S&W's chambered in 22LR with Crimson Trace compact grips. 8 shots from a dependable high quality revolver with a laser that automatically comes on is a lot better than a 7 or 8 rounds from a 9mm, .380 or .32 that may or may not jam up in a life or death situation.

With that said, 22LR & 22 Mag would not be in my top 10 choices for home defense. For conceal carry, there are far more constraints and the right 22 is an acceptable compromise.
 
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Onward Allusion, I put Crimson Trace laser grips on my S&W 351c and, while they did improve my groups at the range, I did not like the feel of them and actually felt that even a finger button in the grip was too many "controls" to think about under stress.
 
Hoppes -

Not sure if we're talking about the same CT grips, but these are built into the front-strap of the grip. It's a toggle type of button akin to the grip safety of a Colt Vest Pocket, except in front. Grip the gun and it turns on. Let go of the grip and it's off. There is no on/off switch per se.
 
Onward - yep, that's the one. It's not quite as simple as you described, or maybe my hand didn't fit well, but the CT grip took my focus off the trigger finger an put it onto the laser finger.
 
I love my Federal 550 packs from WallyWorld - an infrequent flier gives one's age-related accuracy problems something to blame it on. I know I have shot 20+k of them - and have had two or three that didn't go off the first time in my 63 or 617. One, however, would not go off even in my CZ-452 bolt action - and proved to be both primer and propellant free. Remington el-cheapo's have produced 1 - 10+ duds per brick over the years here, with admittedly no new boxes having been bought in ten years. Then there is the hot and nasty ammo - CCI Stingers - which will foul my 63 or 617 in a couple of cylinders full.

I have shot thousands upon thousands of .22 WMR - mainly CCI MaxiMags FMJ - over the years. I've owned a myriad of .22 WMR bolt actions - never a misfire. Now I shoot a 651 and a 351PD and still no misfires, save the two that fired the second time around in the 651 after I 'tried' a lower powered hammer coil spring. I quickly put the OEM spring back! Pretty reliable ammo.

Stainz
 
Hoppes - Thanks for the feedback! I think I will hold off on ordering the 2nd set of CT's. (haven't received the 1st set yet...)
 
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