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So Henry Owners... Does the sight hood just push / slide off so you can get at the screw to remove it?

If this was answered already I cant find it.

**EDIT** It does, found video.
 
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From Wikipedia:

"The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).[3] The New Jersey Zinc Company developed zamak alloys in 1929. While zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal or white metal, zamak is held to higher industrial standards."

DM
 
Jav,
Had intended to stay out of this, but after spending a half hour on the phone with a 20-year engineer at one of the Henry plants today thought I'd pass this on.

First- Your definition of "pot metal" is YOUR definition of "pot metal" & not a universal label.

Second: Henry uses Zamak 5.

Third: The machinery used is state of the art & so far removed from the true pot metal used in cheap capguns when I was a kid that it's apples to lugnuts in comparison.

Fourth: When Henry acquired its newest production machine to produce Zamak receivers & other items, there were only two that advanced in the country, and Chrysler got the other one.

Fifth: That shrinkage issue. This engineer says that Zamak will continue to shrink. But, it's at a rate that few people would be able to measure in general, and further that Henry slightly alters their Zamak 5 mix with a higher percentage of aluminum, allows it to age before use, and further artificially ages it through a heating process, all to reduce any detectable shrinkage that could affect performance after long term use. And the equipment is very sophisticated, not just a matter of pouring some glop into a mold, letting it cool, and throwing it into a gun.

Sixth: If you have sources that can provide documented evidence in the form of photos or measurements clearly demonstrating a degree of Zamak shrinking IN HENRY RIMFIRE LEVERGUNS sufficient to impede or negatively affect function, I would genuinely like to see them.

Seventh: Henry's owner has allowed the capitalization to acquire very modern & up-to-date machinery, equipment, and processes. The guns may not be built of forged steel & machined parts hand-fitted by elves in the Black Forest during the full of the moon & supervised by the ghost of John Browning, but they do function, shoot quite well, and hold up far better across the board than you intimate.

Eighth: While ANY maker can & will ship the occasional lemon, Henry puts out the widest range of rimfire leverguns in the world, to fit a variety of budgets & tastes, they stand fully behind their products, and they're aggressively expanding in a number of models, both rimfire and centerfire.

Ninth: Does Winchester service the rimfire levergun market that well? Does Marlin? Does Browning?

Tenth: These guns, regardless of how often or how loudly you yell POT METAL are not cheap toys. They use steel where it's needed & other materials where it's not. They don't have to use 19th Century materials & processes to be "worthy", and if that's the type of mentality you have, please- buy some other brand. :)
Denis
 
The receiver cover's finish coming off while cleaning with normal gun cleaning products was a big reason I didn't buy a Henry. Then finding out the cover was cast zinc? No thanks. If it is such a great metal, why are their Big Boy guns made with brass and steel? At least 5 guns I own probably wouldn't exist if they weren't made of 19th Century materials made to be handed down to the next generation. I looked around until I found a pre-Remington Marlin, then bought it.

But to each his own.
 
The Big Boy guns are made with brass & steel very simply because pressures require it.
The rimfires don't.
Denis
 
You make it sound like Henry has the most sophisticated gun making process, its a cheap way of processing. Look at the way the better gun MFG's do it and none of them are simple. Forging and machining steel is no simple process either.

ZAMAK no matter what you want to call it is still just a fancy pot metal.
If you like your Henry that is cool just stop trying to act like its some high end gun.
ZAMAK whether you want to call it a pot metal or not is still a cheap low cost material.
The bottom line is ZAMAK is cheap and I don't think anyone else is using it besides Henry.

They are designed to be cheap and affordable and should last a few decades possibly. In 100 years from now I doubt you see any of the Henrys made today still around and still shooting. Its not a gun to pass down from generation to generation. I don't know why this is so hard to accept.
 
Of course if you talk to a Henry engineer they are going to tell you its the best. What do you expect him to say?
Since you brought up the big boys, how do you like that Henry doesn't even have a loading gate on the center fire rifles? That alone is a deal breaker for me.
 
QUOTE: If you have sources that can provide documented evidence in the form of photos or measurements clearly demonstrating a degree of Zamak shrinking IN HENRY RIMFIRE LEVERGUNS sufficient to impede or negatively affect function, I would genuinely like to see them. :QUOTE

When did Henry start production? 1999? They haven't even been around long.
 
wow guys what does's it matter? hell lol I own one henry rifle and am lookin at two or three more as shooting the one I got is super accurate!!! infact I love the way this rifle with Remington thunderbolts groups on paper! this rifle is super nice and the action is butter smooth and to me is much better than the ruger 10-22 I have right now. so for me not having kids to pass mine on and bein about to be 40 years old I really don't care if it don't last 100 years as I won't be here anyway! :)
 
Jav,
Nowhere did I say "it's the best", nowhere did the engineer say "it's the best". I doubt you'll believe it, but the engineer was very frank & open in discussing the material & how Henry builds their guns that use it.
It's quite obvious the material used does keep costs down, and nobody at Henry has ever claimed otherwise.
If the GB were an all-steel gun it'd be priced hundreds higher.

Your inability to give me concrete sources of information demonstrating that Zamak shrinks IN THE HENRY RIMFIRES, along with your statement that the company hasn't been around long enough to tell, illustrates to me at least that the shrinkage "issue" is no issue at all.

The engineer says such shrinkage is in the order of a hundredth of a human hair's thickness, which is why he said it's unmeasurable by all but those who have very sophisticated measuring devices.

The loading method?
Couldn't care less. Bothers some, others actually like it. It's a helluva lot easier on my thumb in loading, I can say that.

You're looking for reasons to dislike the guns, and that's fine as long as you confine them to your own preferences & don't try to project broad claims about "inferiority" to others who may be perfectly happy with what Henry offers.

All in all, I think Henry probably does have the most sophisticated system of producing the guns that they do. Sourced through four states & with ultra-modern (although not traditional enough for you) equipment & processes, they just go about making their guns differently.

And finally, I'm not saying & never have said that the Henrys are "high-end" guns.
I'm simply tired of all the "pot metal" crap being spouted incessantly by those who don't like the design simply because it's not ALL steel.
Neither is the Browning.

Of course the Zamak & production methods are designed to keep costs down.

There IS a difference between keeping costs down while still producing a very shootable product, and making junk, as you appear to be constantly trying to promote.

The product works, it's typically very accurate, it's the smoothest lever on the market, there's a gun for everything from entry level on up to fancy grade, with a number of options to choose from, I'm not seeing any higher percentage of Henry lemons than I am of any other brand of .22 levergun (far fewer than the Marlin debacle) although Henry's putting them out in a hundreds-to-one ratio, and until I do start seeing widespread complaints of them falling apart, breaking down prematurely, or "shrinking" internally, I will continue to call them a good buy.

Regardless of your opinion of the construction, in the aggregate they work & they work well.
100 years from now?
Who knows, they could still be running. I won't be around to see & don't particularly care.

And with that, I AM done on this one. :)
Denis
 
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From Wikipedia:

"The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).[3] The New Jersey Zinc Company developed zamak alloys in 1929. While zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal or white metal, zamak is held to higher industrial standards."

Yes Zamak is an acronym and has been around for a long time but Wiki is hardly a reliably source or the final authority on any subject... Anybody can write or edit wiki... Nevertheless, this does point out that Zamak is hardly anything new or high tech. Any zinc die cast form of pot metal products seen in the last 30-40 years were probably Zamak of one type or another. There is nothing new or special about zamak. Zamak may have been a higher grade of (zinc alloy) pot metal in 1929 but today it is just the standard stuff. If it wasn't main stream today it wouldn't be used for making such mundane items as die cast toys.

I previously worked for a manufacturing company whose products were light load bearing components of other products that were commonly used throughout the world. About half of our production was zinc die cast products assembled from parts produced in our own in-house zinc die-cast foundry.... We had a lab that continually tested our zinc-die cast, or zamak if you prefer, products for quality, strength and endurance. I had some direct involvement in this as well as other processes. I have likely seen more zamak, sat in more meetings concerning zamak. saw more parts made from zamak and witnessed more zamak parts destroyed during the testing process then anyone involved in this discussion. Zamak, in it's various persuasions, is the common zinc alloy and one of the low melting point alloys people have been referring to collectively as pot metal for years....


after spending a half hour on the phone with a 20-year engineer at one of the Henry plants today thought I'd pass this on.

Hardly an objective commentator... What is he supposed to say? How long do you think he would be employed if he went around telling customers that their products were anything other than great or referred to their frames as pot metal? The simple fact is all zinc alloys degrade over time. Zinc alloys continue to shrink, weaken and become brittle over time regardless of what kind of spin you want to put on it. Our foundry manager or engineers would never refer to our products as being made of pot metal to a customer either.

That shrinkage issue. This engineer says that Zamak will continue to shrink. But, it's at a rate that few people would be able to measure in general, and further that Henry slightly alters their Zamak 5 mix with a higher percentage of aluminum, allows it to age before use, and further artificially ages it through a heating process, all to reduce any detectable shrinkage that could affect performance after long term use. And the equipment is very sophisticated, not just a matter of pouring some glop into a mold, letting it cool, and throwing it into a gun.

NOBODY successfully involved zinc alloy die casting today is simply "pouring some glop into a mold" and zinc alloys still fail all the time. We have all seen it. Those products we've all seen fail were made by companies with their own production engineers. I'm currently trying to repair a pressure washer with a cracked, zinc die-cast manifold that is most likely also zamak 5. I'm sure if I called the company that made it and spoke to their engineer he would tell me the great lengths they go to produce a quality part... blah.. blah... blah...

If the GB were an all-steel gun it'd be priced hundreds higher.

It's already overpriced as is. Its just a cheap, shiny metal cover in place of an even cheaper, black powder coat(?) metal cover. It's almost as much as the Browning already.


I'm simply tired of all the "pot metal" crap being spouted incessantly by those who don't like the design simply because it's not ALL steel.
Neither is the Browning.

No, the Browning is not all steel, it's also uses aluminum if I remember correctly. Aluminum doesn't degrade over time like zinc alloys do. Zinc alloys are simply the bottom of the barrel, the worst material you can use and still call it metal. Maybe we should stop calling it Pot Metal because that term seems to ruffle too many feathers. Do we need to PC it up a bit? We could call it alternative metal... No, that may have been used already for something else entirely. How about substitute metal? I kinda like the term temporary metal because it's so descriptive. I'm tired of the Henry owners who read the company propaganda, watch the infomercial and think they have bought a high quality product just because its shiny and it usually goes bang. If someone can't look at the Browning and the Henry, take them both apart and determine that the Browning is the better made of the two then going any further is just pointless and this being The High Road........
 
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Meanwhile, the marlin 39 forum is chugging along trying to get new 39's working for their owners... AND my Henry levers keep on keeping on from NEW... lol

DM
 
Meanwhile, the marlin 39 forum is chugging along trying to get new 39's working for their owners... AND my Henry levers keep on keeping on from NEW... lol

So do the production problems at Marlin somehow make your Henry a better rifle? Will your Henry last any longer if the latest Marlins, or should I say Remlins, have problems?
We all know why there is a problem at Marlin and it doesn't have anything to do with design or materials. It's because it's not really Marlin anymore. Most of the guys who knew how to make a truly great 39 are in back in Connecticut. It takes a bit more skill to make a 39 then it does to make a Henry. It took a while for the center fire Marlins to improve after the move, the 39s will improve too. And if they don't it will be a loss for all of us. Another iconic American firearm will be down the tubes and the Henry isn't nearly good enough to fill it's shoes for the next 100 years.
 
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You are aware of grouping all zinc alloys into the pot metal bin (there are different ZAMAK combinations. I think hi-point uses ZAMAK7) is like putting all steel alloys under the the "impure iron" bin.
 
It only cost me a bit over $200.00 and it only has to "out last" those who live under the roof of this house... There's absolutely no question in my mind, all three of mine will do that and then some...

AND in the mean time, they all worked "perfectly" right out of the box, are accurate enough for me and are "light and handy"!

BTW, some months ago, I saw a road test in a magazine where they shot a 39 against a Henry and the Henry out shot it...

DM
 
One time I had a Geo Metro and it didn't break down so does that mean its built as good as a Rolls Royce?
 
I'm fairly new to this forum, but I'm very active on several other ones. And I can't believe some of you guys are pooping all over the OP's new gun. It's just bad form to throw a wet blanket on a guy's new gun purchase.
 
I'm fairly new to this forum, but I'm very active on several other ones. And I can't believe some of you guys are pooping all over the OP's new gun. It's just bad form to throw a wet blanket on a guy's new gun purchase.

Welcome to the forum, GoPappy! As the site name suggests, most here do take the High Road, so don't be dissuaded by the handful who do otherwise.

Also, I agree with your comment 100%!
 
GoPappy and as-imuth,

I'm with ya fellas, and to the OP moe.ron; I hope you enjoy your new Henry as much as I have enjoyed mine. I love lever action 22's.

My first Golden boy has roughly 18000ish rounds through it and no hiccups. It is my second most accurate lever action 22lr . My 1974 Marlin 39 ( which now belongs to my son ) and my 2002 39a are both capable of ragged holes with a wider variety of ammo ( if I do my part ) than any of my other levers.

My Browning is my most ammo finicky. It seems to only really like 40gr copper washed Aguila. Still it is more than accurate enough for minute of squirrel, and it the best looking of the bunch. I never really liked the trigger traveling with the lever,but it has never been a problem, and it is a short throw lever . If you have not worked one it will feel odd to you at first.

My Golden boy is the smoothest lever to cycle, and to DM's point I fully expect it to outlast me and at least a few of my heirs. I don't think that the quality is on par with my Marlins, my Browning, or my Winchester, but I feel I got my money's worth, and my grandsons will to .

Enjoy your rifle, but watch out for the lever addiction;) , it's lifelong once you catch it, Tentwing
 
yep moe.ron I love my henry rifle like I said earlier I own the basic model hoo1 and with Remington thunderbolts it shoots very tight groups with the 4x32 scope I have on it!! infact i'll be buying another henry this year the small game model in 22mag is coming soon! I love the butter smooth action and I highly stand behind my rifle! I feel this is the best leveraction 22 rifle I have ever owned!! and would buy it again if needed! :)
 
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