357 maximum vs 350 legend

[gotboostvr]

I don't see the 350 Legend surviving.

I politely disagree. I see it filling a spot for those guys that think they want a 300blk and/or a 450BM. It can cover alot of ground that those very different cartridges cover.

It can't quite sling the 125gr bullets as effectively at distance as the 300blk, or the 250gr bullets quite as well as the 450BM but it can do both, works well suppressed and requires minimal start up costs/gear requirements.

Pretty sure you can load it with 357mag dies and a 223 shell holder with 357 Max data. 223 brass, 357mag bullets, typical magnum pistol powders. Same STANAG mags (maybe a new follower) BCG, etc... I've got all that on hand, just need a barrel.

450BM/300BLK, I'd at least need new dies, maybe magazine and brass and powder for the 450BM.

Plus the 350 is g2g for straightwall states.

Sounds like a good combo to me.

 

[mavracer]

Pretty sure you can load it with 357mag dies and a 223 shell holder with 357 Max data. 223 brass, 357mag bullets, typical magnum pistol powders. Same STANAG mags (maybe a new follower) BCG, etc... I've got all that on hand, just need a barrel.

Nope it's not a 223 case and not straight wall so 357 mag sizer won't work. Also 5.56 mags will pigeon toe the rounds you can file the ribs on Magpuls and they'll work. But yeah all you need is a barrel to convert the gun.

 

[ACES&8S]

I politely disagree. I see it filling a spot for those guys that think they want a 300blk and/or a 450BM. It can cover alot of ground that those very different cartridges cover.

Thanks for being polite, that is rare these days on other sites. That is what I like about THR, mostly good people
with good oponions,

 

[gotboostvr]

Nope it's not a 223 case and not straight wall so 357 mag sizer won't work. Also 5.56 mags will pigeon toe the rounds you can file the ribs on Magpuls and they'll work. But yeah all you need is a barrel to convert the gun.

Edited in light of correction:
It is not a 223 case.

I was thinking of the 357 MAX AR which was a slightly different wildcat pre-350L which could be loaded with 357mag dies.

 

[gotboostvr]

Thanks for being polite, that is rare these days on other sites. That is what I like about THR, mostly good people
with good oponions,

I mean, I can definitely see why someone would look at it and think it's pointless if you live in a state without the straightwall regulations or don't deer hunt. In that case you'd be much better served by a plethora of other cartridges.

I live in the southwest, where it would only be mildly better suited to hunting than a typical 357mag. But I do travel back to southern Ohio, where the brush is thick, the ranges are short and a straightwall regulation is in place. A 350L upper let's me play with my suppressor at home, and would still be an excellent hunting tool on vacation in Ohio. Instead of buying a 300BLK and a 450BM, just the one 350L.

 

[mavracer]

It is a 223 case

It's not the legend has a base diameter of .390 vs .377 of the 223/5.56 hence the rebated rim.
There was/is a wildcat that uses blown out 5.56 but it is straight wall and doesn't work as well in autoloader.

 

[someguy2800]

Since this thread started almost 3 years ago I fell out of love with my 357 max and I recently sold my max barrel and all my brass. I got kind of bored with it and really wanted something that would go toe to toe with my 358 yeti for a hunting handgun so I replaced it with a magnum research SSP in 35 rem which I load +P. I am waiting on a 44 mag barrel to go on the contender to use as a range toy to lob cast bullets and share ammo with my revolver. Still thinking about building a 350 legend AR15 for my girls to start deer hunting with.

 

[Wayne Clemon]

I guess .357 Magnum’s are 9mm’s also... SAAMI and S&W sure screwed up on the .357 Mag’s specs by giving it a 9mm barrel spec, what a stupid mistake, the .357 Magnum will never take off because they crippled it with the wrong bore specs...

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How much oversize factor should we expect for a sealed bore rifle cartridge? Folks keep referencing 9mm parabellum specs and claiming Winchester screwed the pooch, completely ignoring other standard specifications. The .350 Legend has a maximum of 2 thousandths over-diameter, minimum 1 thou under. Alternatively, 223 Remington has only 1/2 thousandths over groove diameter maximum, with 2.5thou under groove tolerance. 243win specification doesn’t allow any bullet size over groove diameter, and allows bullets as small as 3 thou under groove diameter. 308win? It allows bullets only as large as 1 thou over, and as small as 2 thou under groove diameter...

So it honestly escapes me why folks are so worked up about the 350 Legend specifications. Guys are loading .357” revolver bullets, the spec allows .357” bullets, and there’s absolutely no science to support a .357”-0.003” spec does not pair with a .355”/.346” groove and bore.

But it sure makes guys feel like they’re smart by bitching incessantly about it online!

If you torture the data long enough it will say anything.

 

[Wayne Clemon]

350 Legend specifies the same minimum bore area as 9mm Luger, which is smaller than the 357 Mag spec.

Winchester should have been more careful with the release of this cartridge...

ETA: All three cartridge 9mm Luger, 357 Mag and 350 legend all share bore and groove diameters .346/.355 but 9mm Luger and 357 Mag have a tolorance of +.004 but 350 legend is only +.002 on those diameters

350 Legend specifies the same minimum bore area as 9mm Luger, which is smaller than the 357 Mag spec.

Winchester should have been more careful with the release of this cartridge...

ETA: All three cartridge 9mm Luger, 357 Mag and 350 legend all share bore and groove diameters .346/.355 but 9mm Luger and 357 Mag have a tolorance of +.004 but 350 legend is only +.002 on those diameters

They want to sell ammo, not make it easy to reload.

 

[MEHavey]

Pray tell . . . why do believe it is hard to reload ?

 

[Varminterror]

If you torture the data long enough it will say anything.

If a person can’t read two numbers defining a range from a spec sheet and understand them, maybe they shouldn’t bitch online about them.

 

[tallpaul]

The ATF considers this a pistol brace, not a buttstock because the rear face of it is not flat.
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that has NOTHING to do with why it is considered a "brace" ..... are you a member of the main stream media or a politician?

 

[someguy2800]

that has NOTHING to do with why it is considered a "brace" ..... are you a member of the main stream media or a politician?

That is not the only consideration but one of the main considerations is that a brace cannot have a flat rear face designed to increase surface area to facilitate shooting from your shoulder. The ATF of course leaves all of this open to their interpretation so if you want to test your personal theory of what is or is not a stock, you get to fight the government about it in court, and they have made it quite clear how they intend to interpret it. Screenshot below from the proposed brace rules that they released last year.

 

[tallpaul]

That is not the only consideration but one of the main considerations is that a brace cannot have a flat rear face designed to increase surface area to facilitate shooting from your shoulder. The ATF of course leaves all of this open to their interpretation so if you want to test your personal theory of what is or is not a stock, you get to fight the government about it in court, and they have made it quite clear how they intend to interpret it. Screenshot below from the proposed brace rules that they released last year.
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fair enough...it is more than that and as you state... vague and open to their BS...

 

[Remington1911]

Eh, another new thing this old fudd has little use for.

However 357max cases can be made to work in 351 WSL, so I do need that.