45 / 410 Defense Loads?

[mcb]

I'd probably stick to 45 Colt or a buckshot load. 410 slugs are remarkably under powered and something like 80ish grains in weight.

Most 410 foster slugs are closer to 90grs for the 1/5 oz (Remington & Winchester) and closer to 110gr for 1/4 oz slugs from (Federal and Winchester). Brenneke makes a very nice hard cast trailing gas seal slug that weighs in at 114 gr.

From a pistol they are on par with 9mm/40S&W energy wise but will probably not get the penetration most want due to the soft lead slug flattening out very fast or fragmenting. From a full size shotgun the 410 slug is on par or greater than 357 Mag and 10mm Auto from a handgun energy wise, all-be-it with a lighter projectile going much faster. The Brenneke 410 Slugs with their hard case construction out penetrated 180gr XTP from a 10mm in my own personal testing. I have take two nice deer with 410 slugs from a shotgun.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

I have a Circuit Judge that I got to be a family HD gun. It will mainly be loaded with buckshot of some sort and the Winchester PDX1 4 disk load. Both open up just enough at inside the house distances that a chest shot or 2 should take someone out of the fight. The PDX1 shells have an impressive amount of kick.

I haven't had too much of a chance to experiment with shotshell loads since the panic makes finding and replacing 410 buckshot and SD ammo tough.

 

[12Bravo20]

I have a Circuit Judge that I got to be a family HD gun. It will mainly be loaded with buckshot of some sort and the Winchester PDX1 4 disk load. Both open up just enough at inside the house distances that a chest shot or 2 should take someone out of the fight. The PDX1 shells have an impressive amount of kick.

I haven't had too much of a chance to experiment with shotshell loads since the panic makes finding and replacing 410 buckshot and SD ammo tough.

That's why I reload my own 410 shells. I'm using 5 pellets of 000 buckshot with Claybuster wads and Hodgdon H110 powder. I bought 500 brand new primed Cheddite hulls a couple of years ago and am using them.

When it comes to buckshot loads, try 00 and 000 buckshot to see what patterns best out of your shotgun or revolver. 00 buckshot does well out of my full choke barrels but really opens up at close ranges with the shorter cylinder bore barrels (14" and 18.5"). It's been a while since I had my hands on a Taurus Judge so don't recall if 00 or 000 did better out of it.

 

[golden]

I do not like the .45/410 revolvers. They are bulky and do not offer any advantages that I can see. In my .45 Long Colt S&W model 25, I usually keep BLAZER 200 grain jhp ammo.

Jim

 

[AK103K]

I do not like the .45/410 revolvers. They are bulky and do not offer any advantages that I can see. In my .45 Long Colt S&W model 25, I usually keep BLAZER 200 grain jhp ammo.

Jim

I think the combo guns are really a niche type gun, and they do have some versatility. I wouldnt choose it as my only or daily gun though. I see them in a supplemental type role, and to be used along with what I normally carry.

I have a 4" 625 (45acp) and a Governor, and I really dont see any difference when in my hand as far as bulk goes. Basically the same size overall. The 625 is definitely heavier though, being all steel.

The advantage is, you can have a couple of different rounds, of different uses, out of the same gun, and even at the same time if you want.

 

[cfullgraf]

I have a Bond Arms Snake Slayer chambered in 45 Colt/.410. The trigger, at least on mine, leaves something to be desired so longer range shooting, 6' to 10', is difficult at best.

So, I'd probably carry .410 shells for self defense.

 

[TTv2]

I do not like the .45/410 revolvers. They are bulky and do not offer any advantages that I can see. In my .45 Long Colt S&W model 25, I usually keep BLAZER 200 grain jhp ammo.

Jim

When you say the .410/.45 revolvers offer no advantages, are you saying they offer nothing over a .45 Colt revolver or nothing at all compared to other revolvers? If it's the former, with the right ammo the .410 revolvers shoot .45 Colt well enough. Remember, the .410 revolvers are not target guns, they're business guns.

In terms of bulk, the cylinder is an inch longer, but the weight of the Public Defender Judge models is not excessive. Sure, you could get a 4 inch barrel if it was a .45 LC only, but these low pressure big bores do not gain much velocity from a longer barrel. You do with boutique ammo that costs $2 a round.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I wouldn't carry a derringer, which is just one of the reasons I sold mine.

But when I did, I carried 45 colt.

 

[Project355]

Nobel used to import a 4x.40 cal round ball .410 load that was pretty nice. I only have a few left.

Not Ayoob correct, but I loaded up 2x.454 round balls in a 45 Colt case.... My "zombie" load. 2x.430 round ball also works for 44 Special.

 

[TTv2]

Nobel used to import a 4x.40 cal round ball .410 load that was pretty nice. I only have a few left.

Not Ayoob correct, but I loaded up 2x.454 round balls in a 45 Colt case.... My "zombie" load. 2x.430 round ball also works for 44 Special.

Ayoob has been more focused on legality of self defense for so long he's forgot the first rule of a self defense situation is to survive. I like Mas, but the topic of reloaded ammo for self defense is one of the third rails of gun forums. Used inside ones home, it's awfully stupid to charge someone with a crime solely on what ammo or caliber was used.

I mean, if you live somewhere where you'd be charged for shooting a drunk homeless schizo who broke into your house because he saw the Reptilian spaceship land in your backyard and KNOWS your house is a secret base for the Reptilians and must be burned down to protect society, well, then you live in an area where no matter what you did to defend yourself you were going to be charged regardless of what gun or ammo you used.

That said I do like two .45 or .44 round ball load. I think it's a crying shame that ammo companies haven't offered multiple projectile ammunition more regularly. I know Doubletap has their Equalizer line, but they're not one of the Big 5 so lots of people have no idea ammo like that exists.

And while there's bound to be people who poo poo the idea of more than one projectile per shot from a handgun, if they really think there's no advantage to a second wound channel, then I would have to expect they don't practice any rapid fire drills because, so long as you hit the attacker once, there's no need to shoot a second or third time, right?

 

[748]

For your consideration:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/one-maybe-2-shots.869797/

 

[GEM]

Off topic as I cautioned way back. Enough real discussion. So closedown