6.5 Creedmoor past present future

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dranrab said:
Now that we all agree that the 6.5 Creedmagic has rendered everything else between 24 and 30 caliber utterly worthless, let's grab those guns and head out in quest of some Hansel and Gretel class Unicorns!
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You're way behind, I've already filled my unicorn tag this year... It looks kind of funny because the mighty Creed-Bro blew the horn right off. 6.5 Powah!

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dranrab said:
Congratulations and thank God you had a Creedmoor. If you'd been handicapped with a 260 Remington or such we wouldn't be united in celebration right now.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, is that some kind of prehistoric proto-cartridge? You'll have to forgive my ignorance I'm not really into cowboy action shooting, mil-surps, muzzle loaders and other such old and obsolete stuff.
 
The 6.5 Creedmoor has everything going for it: fast twist, high MAP, limited taper, steep shoulder, and a shoulder and neck geometry designed for long high-SD/BC projectiles. The 6.5x55 is a joke (motto: short action performance but in a long action) and the .270 is a litany of design errors rendering it far less capable than equivalent-floorplan cartridges like the 6.5-06AI and .280AI and less capable then even the Creedmoor.

The Creedmoor is winning because it's technically superior and well supported. That is as it should be, and the cartridges being displaced will not be missed.
 
Three years ago I bought a 6.5 creedmoor. Shot the hell out of it for a year, even reloaded for it. Went out, killed a deer stone dead with one shot at 315 yards, turned right around and sold that rifle for about as much as I originally paid for it. Traded my 6.5 mm bullets for more 7mm bullets and I bought another the 7mm-08. It's just more my style in terms of a caliber/cartridge I particularly like.
 
Llama Bob said:
The 6.5 Creedmoor has everything going for it: fast twist, high MAP, limited taper, steep shoulder, and a shoulder and neck geometry designed for long high-SD/BC projectiles. The 6.5x55 is a joke (motto: short action performance but in a long action) and the .270 is a litany of design errors rendering it far less capable than equivalent-floorplan cartridges like the 6.5-06AI and .280AI and less capable then even the Creedmoor.

The Creedmoor is winning because it's technically superior and well supported. That is as it should be, and the cartridges being displaced will not be missed.
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You left out magic. The 6.5 Creedmagic is magic. I was told earlier this week it'll outrun the 6.5x55 when pushed to the same pressures in the same length barrel.
 
Llama Bob said:
The 6.5 Creedmoor has everything going for it: fast twist, high MAP, limited taper, steep shoulder, and a shoulder and neck geometry designed for long high-SD/BC projectiles. The 6.5x55 is a joke (motto: short action performance but in a long action) and the .270 is a litany of design errors rendering it far less capable than equivalent-floorplan cartridges like the 6.5-06AI and .280AI and less capable then even the Creedmoor.

The Creedmoor is winning because it's technically superior and well supported. That is as it should be, and the cartridges being displaced will not be missed.
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I’d give the old 6.5x55 a break considering it was developed in 1891. It was seriously cutting edge when it was developed. The .270 should have been a .256 Newton (6.5-06) but for whatever reason it flopped and the .270 skyrocketed.
 
H&Hhunter said:
I’d give the old 6.5x55 a break considering it was developed in 1891. It was seriously cutting edge when it was developed.
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H&H, I agree. The 6.5X55 Swede maybe so antique it has valuable patina on just it's name alone, but that one cartridge has survived almost 130 years and continues to do so. Many newer cartridges introduced during the 20th and early 21st century have come and gone. Yet the Swede continues on. It has fought in wars and brought down practically every big game species around the world. It's not be the new kid on the block, but it does have a solid reputation for getting the job done.
 
dranrab said:
I will never let my Creedmagic know this, but my Swede will easily outrun it.
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Better be careful with turnt up 6.5x55, the European History Museum is not going to be happy if you accidentally blow up their exhibits trying to keep up with the Creed-Bro.
 
dranrab said:
I will never let my Creedmagic know this, but my Swede will easily outrun it.
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But seriously, here are quickload predictions of top velocities with popular powders you can get in america for 6.5x55 and 6.5 CM, both loaded with 143gr eldx to 62ksi in 22" barrels at SAAMI max OAL.

6.5x55 Swede:

Reloder 26 - 51.8 gr -> 2,902 fps
Norma MRP C - 50.6 gr -> 2,876 fps
Viht N560 - 50.4 gr -> 2,867 fps
MagPro - 52.6 gr -> 2,858 fps
IMR 7828 SSC - 50 gr -> 2,853 fps
Reloder 17 - 45.6 gr -> 2,816 fps
Reloder 16 - 44.6 gr -> 2,815 fps
Reloder 19 - 47.9 gr -> 2,802 fps

6.5 Creed:

Reloder 26 - 49 gr -> 2,886 fps
Norma MRP C - 47.9 gr -> 2,854 fps
IMR 7828 SSC - 47.1 gr -> 2,816 fps
Reloder 17 - 43.2 gr -> 2,801 fps
Reloder 16 - 42.2 gr -> 2,794 fps
Viht N560 - 47.0 gr -> 2,792 fps
Reloder 19 - 45.2 -> 2,773 fps


The 4.8 gr useable case capacity difference does give the old man a 16 fps advantage on the top end, and 20 - 60 fps advantage among the similar powders the two do best with. Assuming you are reloading in a modern action, don't mind loading 11ksi above SAAMI MAP and don't mind the deficit of good published load data for such loads.

I was never able to get above ~ 2,750 fps in my 22" 6.5x55 without getting a stiff bolt, but I'll admit my limitations in that I was using a sub-standard action (Rem 700) and I was mostly playing with H4350 and RL22, without much in the way of good high pressure load data available. Nothing wrong with the 6.5x55, but the juice didn't seem worth the squeeze to me, especially since there is a well marketed and widely supported easy button now that does very much the same thing.
 
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Varminterror said:
What are we still doing here? A thousand threads like this online for a decade, including 7 pages in this thread alone over nearly an entire year...

Nobody cares.
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Apparently some people do in fact care as is proven by these endless multi page threads.

The 6.5 CM has become the latest .270 vs .30-06, 9MM vs .45 ACP, etc etc.

But yes I agree these threads don’t prove or disprove anything. I think we should concentrate on .45-70 on African dangerous game for people who have never, will never and have no plans to ever hunt dangerous game in Africa.

That’s way more meaningful! :rofl:
 
H&Hhunter said:
Apparently some people do in fact care as is proven by these endless multi page threads.

The 6.5 CM has become the latest .270 vs .30-06, 9MM vs .45 ACP, etc etc.

But yes I agree these threads don’t prove or disprove anything. I think we should concentrate on .45-70 on African dangerous game for people who have never, will never and have no plans to ever hunt dangerous game in Africa.

That’s way more meaningful! :rofl:
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"Best pistol cartridge for bear protection in Florida"

"Which medium bore is best for tiny southern deer"

"Old stuff is awesome and new stuff sucks, discuss"

Old stuff is terrible and new stuff is great, discuss"

If it weren't for whiners, folks wanting to show off their neat-o toys and the endless repetition of comparison threads, there wouldn't be much to talk about on this or most other forums.


I will have to say, I'm a bit disappointed with this thread's stagnation. Usually after Lama Bob dashes into a thread with a big load of unpopular opinions and all the grace of an elevator fart, the discussion picks up a bit.
 
Varminterror said:
What are we still doing here? A thousand threads like this online for a decade, including 7 pages in this thread alone over nearly an entire year...

Nobody cares.
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H&Hhunter said:
Apparently some people do in fact care as is proven by these endless multi page threads.

The 6.5 CM has become the latest .270 vs .30-06, 9MM vs .45 ACP, etc etc.

But yes I agree these threads don’t prove or disprove anything. I think we should concentrate on .45-70 on African dangerous game for people who have never, will never and have no plans to ever hunt dangerous game in Africa.

That’s way more meaningful! :rofl:
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This thread was meant to share about an amazing cartridge that came out at the right time in the right place not to crap on it look if you don’t like it that’s fine but “Can we please stop bashing it after 7 pages” like the tittle says
Past present future of the 6.5 Creedmoor not let’s talk crap on it!
 
Have y’all seen all the available factory loads for the 6.5 Creedmoor I mean they have it all from mild to wild!!!!

Plinking✅
Target ✅
Hunting ✅
Lead free✅
Cheap✅
Expensive ✅

many various weights of bullets for the caliber as well!!!
 
horsemen61 said:
This thread was meant to share about an amazing cartridge that came out at the right time in the right place not to crap on it look if you don’t like it that’s fine but “Can we please stop bashing it after 7 pages” like the tittle says
Past present future of the 6.5 Creedmoor not let’s talk crap on it!
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Uhhhhh yeah... that’s not what I did or said but you are welcome to read anything you’d like into my comments, I guess.


I’ll just lay it out for you. I like the 6.5CM, I think it is a fantastic round for recoil sensitive shooters that punches above its weight on big game. As do all 6.5 MM rounds of similar ballistics.

Besides being very well supported commercially it does nothing more and nothing less than any other 6.5 round of similar ballistics.

My daughter has a Steyr Scout in 6.5 CM and she loves it. If it makes her want to shoot moor and hunt moor then I’m all for her Creedmoor.

I won’t be owning one anytime soon as I have no need for one.
 
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