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I carry a shield 9, and would choose it over ANY revolver. I can shoot it fast and accurately, and it is very thin and compact, making it very easy to conceal.
6 or 7 rounds for defense
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ITS A DUCK !
No seriously, this gets bantered around even in non self defense areas. Duck hunting FYI, your shotgun must be plugged to allow a total of 3 rounds, including one in the chamber. So, hunters theorize & postulate on using a double barrel. Which is fine. HOWEVER... I then point out that, if that regulation was lifted, would they add the 4th & 5th round?YESWEWOULD! Like, just that quick an answer . NY quick hehe.
So... my answer to the question '' 6 or 7 rounds for defense'' ? is, yes, I agree 6teen or 7teen rounds, either one is fine
No seriously, this gets bantered around even in non self defense areas. Duck hunting FYI, your shotgun must be plugged to allow a total of 3 rounds, including one in the chamber. So, hunters theorize & postulate on using a double barrel. Which is fine. HOWEVER... I then point out that, if that regulation was lifted, would they add the 4th & 5th round?YESWEWOULD! Like, just that quick an answer . NY quick hehe.
So... my answer to the question '' 6 or 7 rounds for defense'' ? is, yes, I agree 6teen or 7teen rounds, either one is fine
I have a Speed Six and a 2 1/2" Smith m19 and they are great guns, both work flawlessly and are accurate. I have no doubt that pressed into service they'll go bang.
Problem is I figured out long ago that 30+ oz for 6 rounds is an awful lot, when my XDm 3.8 compact 40 is about the same size, lighter and carries twice the ammo.
Problem is I figured out long ago that 30+ oz for 6 rounds is an awful lot, when my XDm 3.8 compact 40 is about the same size, lighter and carries twice the ammo.
How might any firearm help?
reloaded_in_pa
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It's all about stopping power. I would take a 357 with 2 rounds over a fully loaded 9mm.
whughett
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Only takes one unless there’s more than one returning fire.
As a gun writer once wrote. If 6 don’t do the job the shooter needs to spend more time on the range or is in way over their head. Para-phrased.
As a gun writer once wrote. If 6 don’t do the job the shooter needs to spend more time on the range or is in way over their head. Para-phrased.
entropy
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Whatever firearm you use for defense, whether it holds one round or 100, keep in mind there is a lawyer attached to every round you fire, and make every one count.
What do think contributes to "stopping power"?
With adequate penetration and the same expanded diameter, the 9mm should compare quite well to the .357 in terms of effective ballistics for SD.
What would matter would be what is damaged. More hits would improve the probability.
Where on earth did that idea come from?
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I vary between five and eight (S&W 442, Kahr CW9). I avoid problem areas. I've gotten older, I hope wiser, and less belligerent. I drive more courteously. I know there are bad people out there. I hope I don't meet them. I go armed because there are circumstances beyond my control. I have CCW insurance for the same reason I carry. I don't want to have to use it but if I need it I have it.
Being in a position where my physical abilities are compromised (fused spine, knee replacement, stents, TAVR, and two weeks ago a pacemaker), I carry to protect my wife and myself. Number of rounds? Whatever you think is practical. I'd prefer my 686+ but I can shoot my Kahr as well. Can't get used to the grip angles on Shield or Glock, though I have both.
Nice thread with lots to think about.
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I vary between five and eight (S&W 442, Kahr CW9). I avoid problem areas. I've gotten older, I hope wiser, and less belligerent. I drive more courteously. I know there are bad people out there. I hope I don't meet them. I go armed because there are circumstances beyond my control. I have CCW insurance for the same reason I carry. I don't want to have to use it but if I need it I have it.
Being in a position where my physical abilities are compromised (fused spine, knee replacement, stents, TAVR, and two weeks ago a pacemaker), I carry to protect my wife and myself. Number of rounds? Whatever you think is practical. I'd prefer my 686+ but I can shoot my Kahr as well. Can't get used to the grip angles on Shield or Glock, though I have both.
Nice thread with lots to think about.
Hangingrock
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Avoidance (stupid people, places and things) is a life style and in my opinion more important than your EDC. Should I suffer an epic failure in life style, then the EDC S&W Shield (9X19mm) will be employed. Its either going to be good enough or it isn't going to be good enough but that's the way its going to be.
How might a strategy of "avoiding stupid people. places, and things" mitigate against the risk of violent attack at service station or outside of a grocery store in a good area, and how might such an attack constitute an "epic failure" of one's "life style"?
6 rounds are enough for self-defense, thus please support my plan to ban all higher capacity magazines and guns. More rounds are only carry by those of suspect intent.
See you at the inaugural - President Joe.
We've done this topic into the ground. Tom Givens views it as whether a gun is a one, two or three opponent gun and also as time in the fight. Note the Dunning-Kruger assumption that you will hit the target and the rounds will be effective.
From my acquaintance with the reputable trainer and LEO world, a reasonable carry set up is a semi with one extra mag. 10 rounds is reasonable capacity for the semi.
https://crimeresearch.org/2020/10/t...e-had-fire-ten-or-more-shots-in-self-defense/
However, folks realize that for situational constraints the pocket J frame or lower capacity semi may be the one for carry. They realize that they have accepted a limitation and not because they think carrying more is silly.
See you at the inaugural - President Joe.
We've done this topic into the ground. Tom Givens views it as whether a gun is a one, two or three opponent gun and also as time in the fight. Note the Dunning-Kruger assumption that you will hit the target and the rounds will be effective.
From my acquaintance with the reputable trainer and LEO world, a reasonable carry set up is a semi with one extra mag. 10 rounds is reasonable capacity for the semi.
https://crimeresearch.org/2020/10/t...e-had-fire-ten-or-more-shots-in-self-defense/
However, folks realize that for situational constraints the pocket J frame or lower capacity semi may be the one for carry. They realize that they have accepted a limitation and not because they think carrying more is silly.
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This might sound crazy, but you could perhaps, you know, SHOOT them?
I know, pretty wild, huh?
Larry
That's one way to look at it. That's kind of what I'm getting at when I say:
"I do think it's important to keep in touch with reality."
"It's just very important to have a realistic expectation of what a particular choice is likely to mean if things suddenly go sideways in a really impressive way."
Well said.
I think this is what often gets lost in the typical "You carry more than I do so you're paranoid!"/"You carry less than I do so you're unprepared!" back and forth.
I see people who don't want to talk about limitations imposed by decisions. It's critical to understand the real-world capability that a gun/ammo/shooter combination provides. And it's not just about capacity--a lot of people carry compact/subcompact guns and those impose capability limitations as well.
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Avoidance and situational awareness are a good starting point, but not the whole strategy.
Capacity and caliber are individual decision and should based on lifestyle and ability.
Hence there are as many right answers as deep here people who thought it through.
Capacity and caliber are individual decision and should based on lifestyle and ability.
Hence there are as many right answers as deep here people who thought it through.
You would shoot someone who is holing a razor to someone's throat?
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