60 Year Old Man Shoots...

[Olympus]

In Kansas City, MO last week, and elderly couple was mugged in their car at a local bank ATM. The suspect was supposedly hiding and watching the ATM for a victim that would be scared and give him the money they had just withdrew from the ATM. A woman in her 60s drives up to the ATM, gets her cash, then the suspects jumps out with a gun demanding the money. The woman's husband was in the passenger seat, gets out of the car, and fires one round directly into the head of the suspect. Don't know if the man had a concealed weapon or just had one in the car at the time. But I thought that was a great story. It even made the nightly news!

 

[FourTeeFive]

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/735834.html

Posted on Tue, Aug. 05, 2008
Youth charged in robbery that turned violent
By GLENN E. RICE
The Kansas City Star

Clay County authorities on Tuesday charged a 17-year-old who was shot in the head after he allegedly tried to rob a couple Saturday at a Northland automated-teller machine.

Christian D. Johnson of Gladstone was charged with attempted first-degree robbery. He was also charged with first-degree robbery in connection with a separate holdup at a convenience store earlier Saturday.

The bond for Johnson, who remained hospitalized Tuesday, was set at $100,000.

According to court records, the attempted robbery at the ATM occurred about 9 a.m. Saturday. Johnson was shot in the head by his alleged intended victim outside a Bank of America at North Oak Trafficway and Barry Road.

Johnson is accused of trying to hold up two people at gunpoint at the machine, court records said. As he was leaving, his victim got a gun from his car and ordered the robber to stop. Johnson allegedly pointed his gun at the robbery victim, who then fired at Johnson, court records said.

Clay County Prosecutor Daniel White said no criminal charges are being considered against the 61-year-old man who shot Johnson.

“It’s clear from the statement he gave police that the victim felt his life — or his wife’s life — was at risk,” White said. “He only fired when Johnson turned back toward him, gun in hand.”

“The shooting appears completely justifiable,” he said.

White said Johnson survived the gunshot and is expected to be released from an area hospital by the weekend.

Authorities said that before the attempted ATM robbery, Johnson allegedly held up the Pour Boy gas station in the 4200 block of North Oak Street Trafficway.

Just before 7 a.m. a gunman walked into the store, paced the aisles and then brandished what appeared to be a handgun. The clerk gave money to the gunman, who then fled, court records said.

 

[TallPine]

We never use ATMs, but if we did I think I would only do it when the two of us were together, and I would either be open carrying at a minimum or else have a gun in my hand looking all around while my wife punched in the transaction.

(There, now you have a "strategy and tactic" to discuss, instead of just an unreferenced news item)

 

[Olympus]

I was providing this piece of information as an illustration of the "tactics" used by the suspect and the "strategy" in which the victims reacted.

 

[gego]

In Missouri one does not need a CCW to have a loaded weapon in his vehicle. It is considered the same as his home.

Kudos to the older dude.

 

[Arc-Lite]

ha, 60...good fighting age, and some pretty tough, get to the point, warriors!!!

 

[gotime242]

Wow...nice shot for him.


However, with a gun already drawn...was it a good idea to draw without the intent of an instant kill? It says that he first "ordered the robber to stop"...then when it was pointed at him, he fired.

Seems like pulling a gun on a already drawn gun if you havnt made the descision to fire could lead to disaster...

But either way...it worked out, good for him.

 

[SSN Vet]

the perps hospital bills are a complete waste of the tax payers money.

 

[coyotehitman]

a 17-year-old who was shot in the head....Johnson, who remained hospitalized

Looks like he needed a more powerful round. Wonder what caliber he was using?

 

[Creature]

Looks like he needed a more powerful round. Wonder what caliber he was using?

I believe it was reportedly a .380, but keep in mind that the skull is capable of deflecting the 9mm, the .38, the .45...and even the .44. This is a very common and highly documented occurrence and is NOT caliber dependent. It is simple physics. A round object hitting a round object at an angle. It is also dependent on bullet construction.

 

[JPolito830]

Thats a good story...Its ashame what the world has turned into today.

 

[foghornl]

Good Guys 1
The Sleaze 0

America, as it REALLY ought to be

 

[scrat]

very nice. i would be honored to shake that mans hand and tell him he did the right thing

 

[Deleted member 66305]

Looks like he needed a more powerful round. Wonder what caliber he was using?

It was powerful enough to end the confrontation. That is all that is required.

I, personally, would be relieved that the situation had ended without needing to kill.

 

[The Tourist]

I grateful the good guys won.

And I suppose to our younger members here a guy who is 60 is elderly. Take a look at Sophia Loren. She's 80.

The baby-boomers took good care of themselves and still hit the gym. And frankly I see more muscle on the guys who are 60 than the crop of slackers and donut eaters I see on the local streets. I once pedalled my bicycle to meet my wife for dinner and was very surprised to see the kids she teaches at her middle school. It looked like a special school for over-weight children.

My club just held its 40 Anniversary. More than 1/3 of the roster are the original members.

I see joggers and bicyclists all over our subdivision at mid-day, obviously retired.

As many of you have reported, some of the best shooters at our present Olympics are older. The best swimmer is 41 years old.

My advice to muggers and townies is "don't let the gray hair fool you." The baby boomers still think they are young. I know I do. And a 'young man's" natural response to being pushed is to push back.

 

[ZeSpectre]

There's a great story called "The Geezers" by Ken Rand
(eBook format here "The Geezers")

Punks have muscled into the once-quiet neighborhood around Burgess Street Park, terrorizing the old folk. They beat up poor Mr. Lee, the grocer. And they play their damn hippie music too loud. The police can only do so much; punks overwhelm the city. Who you gonna call? Why, the Geezers, of course.

That's about all I could think of when I read this story.

But in all seriousness, I'm glad the older couple was uninjured and able to take care of business.

 

[Creature]

And I suppose to our younger members here a guy who is 60 is elderly. Take a look at Sophia Loren. She's 80.

And are you trying to advance that she is the model of an avergae 60 year old? Sophia Loren is a genetic anomaly. Because of her genes, she was notice for her stunning good looks while she was still just a child.

 

[MakAttak]

The best swimmer is 41 years old.

No, he's not.

However, there IS a 41 year old still competing, which is impressive, but she is not the best swimmer, either.

You should note that most great marathoners are nearing 40 or older, though.

 

[Psywarrior13]

Not too far from where I live. Wonder why I own a gun Also seems that a lot of what I would call decent folks are moving out of the area, lots of for sale, and for rent signs going up. Too bad really, it is a nice area.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Strategy

So . . .

Is the strategy to "be old" then?

'Cuz if it is, I'm gettin' more strategic every day.

More seriously, I watch ATMs very closely. I won't go to an outside ATM that has blind spots unless I have adequate company.

We don't have a whole lot of that (ATM holdups) up here, but it never seems to take long for small town thugs to pick up on what the big city thugs are doing.

Given the choice, I prefer to do "cash back" in the local grocery. If it's late enough that they're closed, then I have to wonder what the heck is wrong with my strategic thinking that has me hunting for cash after 11:00pm at night.

Easy access without the need for planning can make people careless.

Plan better, think it through, and you can pretty much completely avoid late-night ATM visits.

That said, the troubling part of the above story is that this holdup occurred in the busy part of the morning!

What the heck?

I guess "late-night" isn't the only iffy time frame.

So, 1) use only ATMs with good visibility, 2) only use ATMs during the day, and 3) avoid ATMs entirely when possible.

And, failing that, bring a (large) friend.

 

[Guns and more]

I prefer to do "cash back" in the local grocery.

I do this a lot also. There never is a service charge, and you don't have to visit the ATM. I discovered this while traveling. I didn't have a local bank ATM and I hated putting my card in a ATM where I might not get it back. I go to Wally-World and get an extra $100. If I do use an ATM, I use the drive up, and pull close enough to the machine that there is no room for a person to walk up. At a walk up machine I feel like a sitting duck, even when I can't see anyone.

One more for the good guys. One less scum on the streets. Wanna bet drugs were the motive?

 

[The Tourist]

And are you trying to advance that she is the model of an avergae 60 year old? Sophia Loren is a genetic anomaly.

You might be right, but I don't believe in coincidences. The most dangerous man I know is 63. No one at any age can beat me on the StairMaster. The disco queen I lived with for a while is 60--and you can't tell.

The real goal that the 'boomers had was not simply to grow older. What fun would it be to inhabit a wheelchair and bed-pan for fifty years?

No, we wanted a better quality of life as we aged.

I worked out today, got on my bike and rode until I ran out of gas money. I don't even feel a twinge.

I remember my Dad struggling to get off of the floor at the age of 39. By the age of 51 he struggled to get out of his Lazy-Boy to go to bed.

Now, on the other hand, my Grandfather was a champion swimmer and boxer. In what we now consider the status of "elderly" he was still so ornery capable of self-defense he routinely saved his grandson a beating from the father. And he had been a line-mechanic and supervisor for Harley-Davidson. In that tradition, he died sitting up in bed eating a dish of ice cream drown in whiskey.

Use it or lose it. And never give up until you see your box going into the ground.

 

[TallPine]

And, failing that, bring a (large) friend.

One whose name begins with "4"

 

[meef]

Use it or lose it. And never give up until you see your box going into the ground.

A concept to which my wife swears I'll insist, "The hell with being carried in that damn box, I can walk!"

 

[dalepres]

I believe it was reportedly a .380, but keep in mind that the skull is capable of deflecting the 9mm, the .38, the .45...and even the .44. This is a very common and highly documented occurrence and is NOT caliber dependent. It is simple physics. A round object hitting a round object at an angle. It is also dependent on bullet construction.

I saw a story once on TV about a woman who was shot with a .41 magnum or a .44 magnum, I don't remember which. The bullet hit her in the forehead and split in two with each half traveling around the outside of her skull but inside of her scalp before exiting out the back of her head.