7.62x39--The Rodney Dangerfield of cartridges?

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Those are some good points. And I know the M-38 is even lighter than the No.5 Enfield and packs a truly mean punch. But no carbine in .303 or '54R is going to be as accurate or easy on the ears and shoulder as one of these mini-mausers.

Just go with me here, I'm trying to talk myself into buying a new rifle!
 
But no carbine in .303 or '54R is going to be as accurate or easy on the ears and shoulder as one of these mini-mausers.
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Absolutely on the noise/recoil. It's just that you tried to justify the rifle and/or chambering based upon power parity, and that's what I addressed. But don't think that a No4Mk1 can't get you MOA-level performance - it can.

Just go with me here, I'm trying to talk myself into buying a new rifle!
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Al-righty, then. YOU NEED A CZ527. :D Then again, you could always come over to the dark side and build a short-barrel iteration of a real rifle:

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CZ-527 Carbine in 7.62x39mm Range Report.

Cosmoline, I have to agreed with you on the CZ527

I finally got mine, to say that I’m delighted with it is an understatement. I couldn’t decided on my first centerfire rifle, and this one really caught my eye. Easy to tote in the field and chambered in an inexpensive medium-powered round. Since I don’t reload this was an easy choice for me.

I’ve only shot it four times at the range, the first time with iron sights, I would like to say I shot awesome groups, but my eyes have never been good. I could hold 2-3 inches at 50 yards. I mounted a Simmons 3-9x32mm scope on Millet medium height 1” rings. Went back to the range, it was a short range session, because it was intermittently pouring rain. My first shot was on paper at 50 yards, but about a foot low. After three more rounds to bring the POI up, I shot a 4-shot 3/4” group. I then moved the target out to 100 yards and shot a 3-shot 3/4” group. This was with Olympic 124 gr. fmj ammo.

My 3rd time at the range, I shot a 5-shot .85 group with the Olympic 124 gr. fmj ammo. I’m not saying that this is a minute of angle gun, but she is a shooter. I will be using her for deer with softpoints. The rifle will keep three shots under an inch at 100 yards, which for me is plenty accurate.

I went back to the range today I set up two eight inch targets at 100 yards, one a paper plate the other a 8-inch splattering target that lets you see the hit. I shot standing, kneeling, and sitting 11 shots total. I hit each target 5 times and missed once. The group on the splattering target was 5 shots into 2.5" the one on the paper plate has two pairs that measures 3" the 5th shot blowing it out to 6".

For me the price of the 7.62x39mm ammo and the amount of shooting I can do compared to other centerfire cartridges clinched the deal. Check out the CZ527 carbine, one sweet little rig.

regards,

Luis Leon
 
That is a very cute little carbine. The dealer I go to has had several of them in and everyone that saw it fell in love. The only reason I never bought one was exactly the subject of this thread: they were all chambered for 7.62x39. Everytime he got one in, I said: if you had this in .223 I would buy one. But, he never punched in and ordered one, so I never bought one.
 
You know, I seem to recall hearing about a company that was building Junge Carbines, rechambered and rebarreled for 7.62x39. Even take AK mags as a bonus. I'm willing to bet you could get a pretty good rate of fire out of one of those.

Now, for truly rapid fire from a bolt gun, I don't think you can beat a K-31.
 
Yeah there is a company that produces a 7.62x39 Lee Enfield, however they cost too much, and you end up with ballistics that are inferior to the .303 Brit,
and it has the same bullet diameter of the .303 Brit (Namely .311") so Why Bother?

If you handload you can load 123 grain .311 bullets onto a .303 Cartridge Case, and have a nice little short range varmit round.

Remington makes 180 and 150 grain soft points for .303 Brit, and if you want something heavier, you can order some 215 grain bullets from Woodleigh and load them onto .303 cases.

The Lee Enfield is actually cheaper than an SKS. Though its Ammo costs more, the .303 Brit is more powerful and versatile than the 7.62x39.

Not to mention that the Lee Enfield is also more accurate than an SKS or an AK.
 
Yes, and the .30'06 is more powerful and versatile than the .30/30. And the .375 H&H is more powerful and versatile than the .30'06. So what? That's not the point. The 7.62x39 fills a niche that very few other cartridges do. It has the ballistics of a .30/30 with far less OAL, and can be chambered in very short and handy semis and bolt actions.
 
Buy One

For the love of God, get two. I have no idea why you don't have several already. Don't waste another minute. You need one (you have to start somewhere).
While you are at it, immediately order the dies, brass, and bullets.
You owe it to yourself and you should not be denied.
 
Yeah there is a company that produces a 7.62x39 Lee Enfield, however they cost too much, and you end up with ballistics that are inferior to the .303 Brit,and it has the same bullet diameter of the .303 Brit (Namely .311") so Why Bother?QUOTE]

Agreed, but if some genius out there started converting some of the M-N rifles to take 7.62x39, I'd snap one up in a second... :D

I reload .303Brit, but I don't always have time to make up a batch of "downloaded ammo". Being able to have a good, inexpensive bolt-gun that can fire cheap & versatile ammo would be wonderful... :cool:

7.62x39....like a .30-30 in performance, like a .22lr in price.
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But here we are back again in the circular logic mode.

"The 7.62x39 is short and can be chambered in short, light actions and is almost as powerful as the 30/30."

"But there are actions that are just as short and that cycle just as fast that give you the OPTION of chamberings that have as much power or more power than the 7.62x39 or the 30/30, depending on your mood and needs."

"But then the rounds won't be as short."

"But the actions will be, so the shorter length of the 7.62x39 has no real advantage."

"But it's not a CZ527."

OK. We get it. You want a CZ527. So just go buy one. Heck, after all of this, I figger that you owe us one serious range report. :neener:
 
The SMLE, even cut down and bubbafied, does not replicate anything about either the AK-47 or the CZ mini-mauser. The ergonomics are horrible, the balance far too barrel-heavy, and the action weird. :D
 
The ergonomics are horrible, the balance far too barrel-heavy, and the action weird.
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If you say so. :cool:

But one day, you owe it to yourself to actually TRY a No4Mk1/2 in sporter configuration. The loss of the handguards removes the front-heavy feel, the bolt suddenly seems to be in the right place for fast follow-up shots (instead of somewhere too far forward), and the position of the safety makes perfect sense if you want a positive 'can't be knocked on or off' design.

But that's AFTER you spend your coin on a CZ MiniMauser, because as we've all discovered - YOU NEED ONE RIGHT NOW. :D
 
The 7.62x39 CZ carbine is one of my gotta-have guns. It will likely be my first modern centerfire bolt-action.
 
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