"92% of Americans support background checks"

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No but a poll of NRA members will be skewed as they generally understand what universal checks would mean. Thus they would be against it.

CBS are skewed as they asked if you supported back ground checks. Which they take to mean supporting "universal background checks".

Which is roughly like having a poll if you agree with stopping terrorists, and using the yes answers to say people support torture and indefinite detention.

If they did the same poll and asked the same people if they supported a ban of the private sale of firearms, the numbers would likely not be 92%.
Therein lies the difference. The NRA poll numbers are not skewed, they are FACTS based on the knowledge of its members about the real intent of dishonest legislation.

When the public trough is polled about these same issues, they have not the slightest knowledge of the deceptions and sleight-of-hand the politicians are using to get really "skewed" poll numbers.

There is nothing skewed about numbers derived from NRA members who know that court jesters have been involved in the legislation.

Those NRA polls reflect irrefutable fact, as voted on by their members. No clowns were solicited to hide/subvert the subject matter/content of those polls.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skewed adj. 2. Distorted or biased, in meaning or effect.
 
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A system that is set on the state level and linked to your drivers licence or ID number.

Just go ahead and use drivers licenses in the same way that concealed carry licenses are currently used as NICS substitutes. Run NICS checks on everyone when they get their drivers licenses and put a gun-buster logo on the licenses of prohibited persons. Unfortunately, such a truly universal system would be totally unacceptable to the most strident advocates of background checks because it would not identify gun owners or produce records of gun ownership.
 
What is the current population in America? 350 million I think? Do we have 28 million people in prison in America? I only ask because they probably weren't polled. 28 million is 8% of our population if 350 million is the current amount. What does this mean! Somebody needs to bust someone who is a dirtbag lying piece of crap. This is getting ridiculous. If you hate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights quit your job and move to europe or canada, this includes elected officials. Your bull crap isn't going down people's throats so easily anymore.

So instead of little white lies, now we'll tell big ones! I'm surprised they aren't torturing people Spanish Inquisition style making them believe firearms are evil. It's one thing to lie about sexual favors while in office, or welfare reform, or immigration, or what religion or higher power that you worship. Making up statistics which involve a supposed 100% of citizens is too far. How scary is it that two major news agencies fabricated this crap?
 
The problem we have is the Media. Everyone is biased. If they were doing the JOB they would talk about the problems gun owners see with the bill. I have seen very little talk of that problem. A few have mentioned "paperwork" but NONE have gone into depth to educate the people. PLUS they never ask if their MIGHT be constitutional problems regarding the 2nd amendment. You can BET your life if this was a law regarding (abortion, voting,gay marriage, or any left wing love) they would be screaming about the Constitutional issues they do not even ask if their might be some. They just laugh and call names.:cuss:
 
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Well, if the law had been intended to bring every sale under Federal review and scrutiny, then yes, private sales are a loophole. But that wasn't the stated purpose of the Anti's who enacted the law at the time, the language of the bill doesn't allow for that, and to have claimed that authority at the time was beyond the breadth of the Commerce Clause.

Just like mag limits leading to lower mag-limits, this is a case of Creeping Incrementalism. The Anti's had no business regulating intra-state gun sales at the Federal level back then, what gives them the authority to do so now? The Interstate Commerce Clause that now justifies the bulk of our Government's regulations, has been stretched and distorted far beyond what it was. With recent rulings, we could technically be required to buy an expensive safe along with our background checks, or risk an even more expensive penalty. Because guns could one day be sold outside the state, buying one in-state is considered inter-state commerce :scrutiny:

TCB
 
Private sales and the "gun show loophole"..... The BBC video focuses on the AR15 type rifles and mental health issues. Last I heard it was a crime to buy a firearm if you are not legally allowed to buy one regardless of from whom you buy or if you complete a 4473 and a NICs check. The liberal mindset....

Wait for the next war or significant breakdown in society and the Brits will be asking for Americans to donate their weapons so they can defend themselves just like during WWII.
 
Blackstone, the American Thinker article may be accurate in some states, but not in all. In my state, persons without a federal firearms license may sell a firearm without a background check, without regard to where the sale occurs. If a non-FFL holder sells very many guns, (s)he is probably acting as a dealer and may be in violation of federal licensing laws. If it is someone with a few antiques and a few personal firearms, however, there is no licensing or background check requirement.

Some states prohibit possession or sale of firearms which are not prohibited by federal law. The organization that produces the gun show may also have restrictions on sales that apply only to that show. That, I suspect, is the basis for the statement in this article that only licensed dealers could sell at the gun show that was noted.

It is a very complicated and confusing subject, so due diligence is a must.
 
Blackstone;

The United States was originally formed of 13 former colonies which after gaining their independence considered themselves sovereign nation states (which is why they're called states, not provinces as in Canada). The states were not mere administrative subdivisions of the national government any more than the UK is a mere subdivision of the EU.

In fact, the US was set up much like the EU: sovereign states establishing a larger, but limited, government to regulate a few carefully delineated functions such as a common currency, uniform trade policies, mutual recognition of one anothers' citizens, and courts to arbitrate disputes between states and their citizens.

One function of the new US Federal government was creation of a standing army. Bear in mind, the politicians of the day were men who had seen how a standing army could be used to dominate a civillian populace, and were quite determined that each sovereign state should have militia (an unorganized body of armed citizenry to be called out in defense of the state and its citizens). Allowing the federal government to disarm the populace would leave the citizenry of a state at the mercy of a standing army controlled by the federal government.

Now reread the text of the Second Amendment. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Now argue if you want as to what may constitute a "well regulated militia"; it should be very clear that the nation's founders clearly intended the 2A to be a blanket prohibition against the federal government having any sort of regulatory control over private ownership of weapons. It was intended to be a check and safeguard against attempts to abuse the power of the federal government.

That check and safeguard is still needed. This is why we fight any, each, and every new attempt to give the federal government a power it was not meant to have.
 
Bah, they should go with a real statistic. Something like " 382% of gun owners want to have a background check to remove a firearm from its' holster." Since they are all "FMA" why not? Joe
 
Now ask this same 92% if they want to sell or gift a gun to someone, should they have to contact the government and subject the buyer to a federal and state background check?
 
Be interesting to know how many Highroad members have been contacted for one of these polls. I have been a NRA member for about 20 years and have never been contacted by any polling agency for anything. The only poll I've received was the recent poll by the NRA and I did donate another $20 to the cause. All of my senators are Democrats so they could care less how I feel about background checks, magazine bans or anything for that matter. :cuss:
 
"Sir, do you support background checks for gun sales?"
"yes I do"

One more vote for ALL gunsales.

I doubt the statistic is correct and I highly doubt that it was all Americans. Probably a CNN poll or something.
 
I COULD support universal background checks ONLY IF there was a guarantee that the lingering paperwork would not be used as a registry.

I don't quite trust them that much however/......
 
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