A little rant at people telling individuals to move out of NY State

[ol' scratch]

Listen. We need to stop telling people to move out of states due to restrictive gun laws. I watched it with California and now I see it with New York. We need to encourage these folks to keep fighting the laws that violate their rights. Someone who tells someone from another state to just move out, really doesn't have a clue. We should encourage these people to stand up and passively resist. They should also let their feet do the walking. If we keep encouraging individuals to run out of states that have stupid laws, we bring the fight right to our door.

 

[kwguy]

I totally sympathize. It's too bad NY is so idiotic with those laws. Unfortunately, not everyone can just pack up and move that easily, and they have to sit there and suffer through state fascism.

 

[Ric]

I think the businesses need to speak by moving out
Remington needs to move to another state that doesn't think they are evil
Les Baer moved from Illinois after some of the laws became foolish.

If I had millions of dollars invested in my business and paid millions in taxes to the people who are calling me out, I would consider moving

 

[Certaindeaf]

Even rats abandon a sinking rathole.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Yeah? Well I'm one of those who would suggest it, having lived the nightmare in California from a firearms profession point of view.

I dealt with the California Department of (in)Justice far too many times in relation to state laws there and got caught between DOJ aggression and local jurisdictions's confusion too many times to count after their absurd AWB passed.

Here's my take. If these types of states continue to head in these directions then after exposing the futility of the ballot box, one of the best courses of action is to take one's self, resources, abilities, capabilities and potential for labor/intellectual/business support to a more friendly state and reward them for their support of hard working and freedom minded individuals.

Leave, leave now. Take your personal contributions to a rotting state with you. It is not going to get better there in anyone's current lifetime. Just look to California, the tougher things get due to short sighted-feel good-us against them legislation, the harder they make it on the remaining folk.

 

[OpelBlitz]

The reality of it all is there's only so much fighting one can do. I've been wanting to leave my state for some time now, but it is because of more than the anti-gun craziness.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I bet you guys roll your eyeballs when you hear "what are you going to do when they come for your guns?".. tumbleweeds

 

[swalton1943]

real point of speech

point we're missing; universal bg check on ALL GUN SALES!!!!!

 

[OpelBlitz]

Certaindeaf, what guns...?

 

[Certaindeaf]

badabingo

 

[OpelBlitz]

Yup.

 

[Grassman]

I have no clue why Remington is still there. Just think of the tax dollars Remington has created for New York, only to only be used against itself.

 

[mbt2001]

+100 to the OP...

My grandfather, my great grandfather, etc... are buried here in Texas. I am not going anywhere. I would feel the same if I lived in NYstate and the same was true.

 

[chipcom]

Listen. We need to stop telling people to move out of states due to restrictive gun laws. I watched it with California and now I see it with New York. We need to encourage these folks to keep fighting the laws that violate their rights. Someone who tells someone from another state to just move out, really doesn't have a clue. We should encourage these people to stand up and passively resist. They should also let their feet do the walking. If we keep encouraging individuals to run out of states that have stupid laws, we bring the fight right to our door.

NY has been living with the Sullivan Act since 1911, so what makes you think that this law will finally prod NYers to stand up and resist rather than just wimper and swallow as they always have?

 

[AZ]

It is certainly commendable to stay and fight the law but the fact remains that New York is a liberal haven. Unless NYC breaks off and becomes its own state (god forbid) there is no amount of influence that will bring NY back to reason. Those suggesting others move are simply being pragmatic. If you value your privacy don't live in London and if you value your gun rights don't live in New York. There isn't much one can do short of passing a national law combating state laws (and that isn't exactly the direction we are headed in).

 

[WVleo]

I'm Out of here

Hi came back to Buffalo area ( born and raised in Lancaster, Ny ) after a divorce to start over and I'm out of here for good April 1st 2013. So Glad My home in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia did not sell and I didn't find one in WNy I wanted to buy while looking as I won't get stuck living here or for that matter won't come back until the present mindset of liberal politicians are out of office ( never happen, one looses or retires His retartded son takes over ). the cost of living here is alot more than most other states and there really is not anything more to offer but snow, keep it, Im out of here, this state is and always will be a joke ..........WVleo

 

[Grassman]

I don't begrudge anyone who leaves their home state if they feel that the elected officials are oppressive. Good for you if you have the means to do it, a lot don't.

 

[Hunterdad]

I'd love to leave...trust me. I have a decent job with good benefits, 3 kids and a wife. I just can't see me picking up my family and run out of state. I don't want to leave my extended family and don't want my kids growing up without their family.

So, I'm going to Albany this weekend to protest. I will not lay down and let personal agenda strip me of my rights. I doubt going to Albany will make a difference, but I'm going to try like hell.

 

[SigSour]

I guess it would take a few things to make one move away from their home state. The firearm aspect was great but I moved from NYC more because of the people. I told my wife that I'd never walked outside and NOT seen people until I was in my twenties and she laughed.. then she realized I wasn't joking.

Colorado offered me some breathing room and space. Now we're contemplating a move to my wife's home state of GA. - we've been there a few times and looked into a few farms/acreage properties. 10+ acres for a city boy who grew up in a 900 sq ft 3 bedroom apartment with 4 siblings and parents??? Hells yea! I might just get lost going to the mailbox!

Either way it would serve several purposes. Being closer to family (mine are still in NY), having some peace and quiet.. oh yea, being able to target practice on my own property * I'd say if the pluses are more than the minuses then by all means.. get to movin'!

 

[we are not amused]

I tend to agree, that running is not going to solve the problem. You can't win if you don't fight.
And the fight is winnable, even if you have to go underground and fight a guerrilla war.

 

[jmorris]

I am with the OP. You voted them in, enjoy what you made. Please don't come to my State and make it like yours.

I also support California's "exit tax". Again you voted for people who created the bankrupt State, you should stay and enjoy the spoils of victory or take a huge hit so you don't repeat your foolishness at the next place you move to.

 

[berettaprofessor]

I have no clue why Remington is still there

Think about it a little harder. It may be well and good for owners to move a company for a principle....if it costs them money to move, that's their choice. But the bigger issue is that if a gun/ammo/etc manufacturer moves, the workers either lose jobs or they have to move away, usually away from family and friends to follow their job. Conscientious owners and business managers won't often do that to their employees unless there are substantial business advantages. Being mad at the State is not a substantial business advantage.

 

[Hunterdad]

Yeah, jmorris because I voted for these morons. Thanks for your support.

 

[BHP FAN]

I'd leave if I could. I'm 54, heavily mortgaged, starting a new job, I'm with a California girl who doesn't want to leave as a partner...of 33 years. just not in the cards, for now.Oh, and the folks I voted for?...didn't win.

 

[Hunterdad]

I am so sick of fellow gun owners saying that we voted these people in and now we get to deal with it.

Do you think for one damn second that any sane gun owner voted for these morons? If you don't support all gun owners, than you're just as bad as the shotgun owner that thinks he has nothing to worry about. It's you that make it even worse than it already is. Thanks for the support.