Instead of moving away from gun control states, should we move into them?

[Skribs]

Like others have said, while there is some sense of nobleness for taking the fight to them, it is a lot easier to tell gun owners "hey, your state just restricted your rights, you should probably move" than to tell them "hey, that state just restricted our rights, we should move there and protest."

Considering the economy of states that have gun laws, I would say there is more incentive to NOT move there.

I agree with the "vote with your feet" principle. If we try to move people around so we can win every state, we would be fighting in every state. Instead, let's get a critical mass in those pro-gun states and go on the offensive. Get more people in Washington with a pure 2A agenda instead of a "well, maybe we should compromise" agenda.

 

[stevek]

False. Seriously, do you think, and expect everyone else to believe that all of NJ property owners are holding 2-3 jobs?

Lets look at a fact. From http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...rty_taxes.html

"The average property tax bill in New Jersey rose 1.6 percent last year, from $7,759 to $7,885, according to data from the state Department of Community Affairs."

I'm pretty sure that to arrive at those numbers they included a lot of data from areas you probably wouldn't care to live (e.g. Newark, Camden etc.), or were prohibitively pretty far from most of the jobs (e.g. South Jersey, Pine Barrens etc.)

Speaking for myself, our property tax in NJ, for 1/5 of an acre, and a 25 y.o, 4 bedroom Cape Cod last year was a little over $10,000, and of course they have awful gun laws. If my wife and I didn't both have good paying jobs, it would have been pretty difficult to manage. Here in WV (relocated here full-time last October 18th) we have 3 beautiful acres, a 4 y.o., 3 bedroom modern log home, with a detached 2 car garage, our property taxes are less than $1000, and we have good gun laws.

We didn't know anybody in NJ paying less the $9000 for property tax, and the taxes in the town where I worked were generally closer to $15,000 to $20,000 a year, for a smaller, older house with no land to speak of.

We are incredibly blessed and fortunate to be out of there. We fought as hard as we could while there, and of course it did no good whatsoever. The only reason we will ever go back is to visit our children and grandchildren.

Just my .02

 

[torqem]

Good idea about getting all the roaches into one state, then nuke the place.

 

[rdhood]

danez71 wrote:

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the whole proposition of this post is absurd. Example: New York:

Democratic: 5,507,928 (59.1%)
Republican: 3,130,122 (33.6%)

Using your #'s..... It would take FEWER people moving into NY than those needing to move out.

Using the 'move in' theory, you be able to vote those politicians out.

Isnt that the goal?

?????? Sure, but it would still take two and a half MILLION pro-gun voters to move in to make a difference. Maybe you missed that part? The second fact that there are already more than 2.5 million already there has absolutely no bearing are the magnitude of such an en masse move as you have proposed!

 

[Gallstones]

I think we should isolate them like a contagion.

 

[itsa pain]

Ahhh.. I'm honored.

All of those people saying to move out are basically saying "Vote with your Wallet". They also say "you voted them in - you need vote them out.. Well... it would stand to reason that if all those pro 2A'ers moved into the anti states and spent their money and VOTED they could change the majority and by VOTING.

Is it practical? Not really for most people. But at least the idea is logical because if people moved out... they cant vote those politicians out.


Let take a look at some of the others posts now.....



And you know this ... how? Any evidence?

Do you really think that other people are going to believe that 50% or more of CO's 5million population are CA transplants?

According to census and demographic info, CO gets less than 50k CA transplants a year. Using simple #'s, 50k CA's would have had to moved to CO EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 50 YRS and CO would have had to have ZERO internal/native population growth during those same 50 yrs.

Hogwash.

People need to stop trying to blame someone else. Enough. Its doesn't to a dang thing to help or fix anything.


(side note in regards to pot, according to the latest #'s, about 60% of the US
population favors legalizing pot. The reason CO legalized it is because popular opinion in CO, just as the rest of the US's, of pot has changed. Face it, 50%-60% of the US population isn't from CA.)





False. Seriously, do you think, and expect everyone else to believe that all of NJ property owners are holding 2-3 jobs?

Lets look at a fact. From http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/10/which_15_nj_towns_have_the_highest_property_taxes.html

"The average property tax bill in New Jersey rose 1.6 percent last year, from $7,759 to $7,885, according to data from the state Department of Community Affairs."




That sounds clever but its WRONG.

1st off, politics is no more like fire then shoelaces are to jello.

Did you forget that those politicians were voted in? And so many here say "you need to vote them out"?

Simple logic says you need a voting majority in order to vote politicians out.





Slaves couldn't vote at the time so that's little sound bite is irrelevant. And addiction has nothing to do with anything here. Again, a clever saying with ZERO relevance.


Apparently too many here on THR have forgotten that...

The US was founded because people ran away and left,... HOWEVER, the Constitution came to be because WE STOPED RUNNING AND STOOD UP AND FOUGHT for our Rights.




Using your #'s..... It would take FEWER people moving into NY than those needing to move out.

Using the 'move in' theory, you be able to vote those politicians out.

Isnt that the goal?


Everyone here needs to ask themselves 1 question.

Is the goal to get more states to support the 2A or to voluntarily handover to the Anti's one state at a time?



Now.. don't get me wrong. At the top of this post I said its not practical. However, it makes more sense than the everyone leaving those states.


In the U.S., a Right was never gained/reclaimed by running. Its because we stood up and fought.

Wow how can one man be blessed with so much knowledge. I bet you do not live in NJ and the average 7950 property tax rate is bull and has as much truth to it as the current unemployment rates and rate of inflation. Average rate in the real world is 10-18 grand. As far as not running and fighting like we did for the constitution that was an armed revolt. Are you down for that? A person that thinks like you would be the last I would depend on for that

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

People from Europe moved to the US with NOTHING back at the turn of the century to get away from oppression (all my grandparents). ANYONE can move within the states easier now. If you are not willing to sacrifice a cushy, higher paying job, you just don't value that increase in freedom more than your present comfort. Some people do.

 

[pharmer]

I think we should build a fence along the Delaware river. Fence off Maryland north(definitely include DC). Keep Maine Vermont and New Hampshire. Force all liberals, lefties and communists into their own "Northeast zone", call it Govertopia. Let them tax themselves and pass as much legislation as they want. The rest of the US could go back to being the US. Oh yeah, give Kali back to Mexico, they own it anyway except in name. Joe

 

[danez71]

What an absolutely stupid premise for a thread. Yeah, I'll give up my rights to move to a state economically circling the bowl to help people who's own stupidity put them in the mess they're in. Riggghhht.

You folks in NY, CT, MA, IL, CA et al deserve to stew in your own juices. Your wringing of hands, wailing and gnashing of teeth fall on deaf ears when you continue to support your oppressors with your tax dollars.

The same could be said about your post.

If you have nothing to add to the conversation, which you obviously don't, stay out of it.

I personally know people who live out there and many of them ARE working two jobs.

I personally know many people in quite a few states that have lower property taxes that are working two jobs. What's your point?

It would be foolish to think that every property owner in NJ is working 2-3 jobs and all the property owners in pro 2A state only need to work 1 job.

?????? Sure, but it would still take two and a half MILLION pro-gun voters to move in to make a difference. Maybe you missed that part? The second fact that there are already more than 2.5 million already there has absolutely no bearing are the magnitude of such an en masse move as you have proposed!

Uh... maybe you missed that part where you don't make sense?

Move 2.5 million people into the state is LESS than moving 3.2 million people out of the state as you propose.

And then what... you'all would then just b!tch about all of the people from those states that moved into yours.



Take a look earlier in the thread. We have people saying out of the anti states and then some one earlier blaming Californians for moving into CO. We have people complaining NY'ers moving to their states. etc etc.

IOW, Some people here claim to have the solution of "move out to the free states" and then they whine when people do move.

They're not even happy when people do what they say!!!


But hey... some people just like to complain and point fingers at others particularly when they have nothing to add.


Like I said earlier, Is it practical? No.

But it makes a heck of a lot more sense than telling everyone to leave which has NEVER worked.... boycotting CTD didn't even work. Boycotting Iran doesn't seem to be working. Boycotting N.Korea hasn't seem to pay off well.

The regime has to change. Here in America, that's means voting. Pro 2A people have to be there in order to vote or take them to court.


Why do so many people here keep suggesting to repeat an effort that has never worked and has only failed time and time again?


Its no wonder we also have some asinine federal laws too when so many people refuse to learn from history and only want to keep repeating a failed strategy. :banghead:

 

[barnbwt]

True or not: additional tax revenue allows more officers to enforce statutes otherwise unenforceable due to funding constraints?

Just sayin', because money is power

TCB

"Hooray, we doubled our numbers--10%! Woohoo!"

 

[torqem]

there's lots of incentive to leave NJ. what's the incentive to move into that hellhole?

 

[orpington]

The premise of this thread, by the way, is having the luxury of living wherever you want to, but, in my experience, unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, or are fully retired with a decent pension, you kind of live where your job is. This is ultimately what drove me out of Connecticut, enabled me to live in the wonderful Commonwealth of Virginia, and placed me in Pennsylvania now, for better or worse. For those of you who can live wherever you want to, you are truly blessed indeed.

Hopefully Virginia is not ruined by its new governor, who is very anti 2-A in a pro 2-A state. Unfortunately, the cities ruin it for the rest of the state (or, any state, for that matter) because there is a high concentration of highly educated folks in the cities for the high paying jobs, and these folks are brainwashed in college, if they did not arrive there already brainwashed. I found college was definitely not the environment to engage in talk about firearms.

Any Virginians care to comment on the current climate in their (fine) Commonwealth?

 

[goon]

What an absolutely stupid premise for a thread. Yeah, I'll give up my rights to move to a state economically circling the bowl to help people who's own stupidity put them in the mess they're in. Riggghhht.

You're the guy who chose to join the conversation instead of just moving on. If you hated it so much, why didn't you just save yourself all that typing?

And "their own stupidity" isn't necessarily theirs. Have you watched the interviews from the hearings in CT? Gun owners there did show up and speak out. Colt closed its factory down for a day and brought 400 workers in by bus to join the protest. People did resist. If the registration statistics being passed around the web are to be believed, Connecticut's gun owners are still resisting the law.

 

[danez71]

True or not: additional tax revenue allows more officers to enforce statutes otherwise unenforceable due to funding constraints?

Just sayin', because money is power

TCB

"Hooray, we doubled our numbers--10%! Woohoo!"

The companies that you buy from in those anti states are making more profit from the sale to you than what the state takes in taxes from the sale to you.

If your buying over the internet from those companies, the state isn't even getting the sales tax.


The boycott strategy really only hurts the companies that oppose and fight those laws and also hurts the people that work for those companies that (more than likely) also oppose and fight those laws.


The strategy fails and sucks. Repeating the same failed strategy doesn't make it better.



The strategy has never worked in the history of the US (for gaining Rights in the US).

No one has been able to provide an example of it succeeding. I have provided several showing it fails.

..... Just sayin'

 

[UpperAtmosphere]

You folks in NY, CT, MA, IL, CA et al deserve to stew in your own juices. Your wringing of hands, wailing and gnashing of teeth fall on deaf ears when you continue to support your oppressors with your tax dollars.

Man, I love this attitude.

If you've got absolutely nothing going on in your life and can move states at the drop of a hat, more power to you.

 

[Robert]

Oh enough. Honestly if the most helpful, insightful thing that you can come up with is "screw em, they get what they deserve" than it would truly be better if you just didn't post.