A little shaken up. Had to draw for the first time.

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Too many war stories and trolls posting for S&T, in my opinion.

If you felt threatened by the dogs you were justified in drawing. As others have said regardless of breed, an unleashed dog is a hazard to itself and other dogs and people.

However, rather than going Bill Hickok on them, there is a safer way (for you and all dogs involved) to break up a dog fight than shooting:

http://leerburg.com/dogfight.htm

Use your head before you use your gun.
 
Iceman, the only reason you took heat in your thread was bc of you saying things like "why would anyone want to raise a monster", "pits are monsters", "I hate pits and want to shoot them", and so on. You were asking for it and you knew it bc you kept saying"I have my flame suit on". But anyway, we know you won't let the facts get in the way.
This weekend three trips to home depot and a few hours work to help my neighbor contain his little monster. BTW, it belongs to his daughters boyfriend. The neighbor don't want the dog at the house, but his wife does. You know who wins. The daughter is a drama queen, and so on. Bob wasn't mad at me in the least.

He would of had no issues if I took care of the dog that was scaring the woman holding her elderly dog in her arms while the pit was jumping up and nipping. Of course, the woman and I didn't understand that this is a form of pit bull play.

I was told on THR, If a pit bull attack were real, the old dog and the woman would of been chewed ground beef on the pavement.

I was bit last year by one of those lovable pit bulls for the crime of walking on the sidewalk.

As some of the paranoids say, this is a public forum, so I won't express my wishes regarding these inbred canine farzeenish.
 
All I know is that I've been bitten more than 50 times. Never by a pit though. The worst was by a doberman followed closely by my wifes siberian husky. When her husky went crazy and tried to kill me my pit violently protected me and quickly ended the encounter after nearly getting my jugular ripped out for no apparent reason.
 
I'm just wondering if I was in the right to draw, to protect my property, etc...

Yes. I had to shoot a couple of dogs yesterday to protect my wife's cat. I don't feel good about it but not bad either. Not my fault they dogs aren't trained to behave, and not my fault their owners broke the law by allowing their dogs rto run free.

And it's not your fault some schmuck let two large, potentially dangerous dogs run free. I like pit bulls as well as any other dog, and I love dogs more than cats, but protecting yourself and/or your property still counts as just that.
 
Time to do your homework!

Brings up memories of the ProArms Podcast on the Harold Fish case.
J.R. Robies (Fish's CC instructor) stated he was rethinking his stance on warning shots. As SOP, he always taught no warning shots, but after the Fish case, he's rethought traditional dogma and now thinks in the case of animals they might be appropriate.

You'd probaby want to do your homework for your state/locality AFA warning shots for animals?
 
You'd probaby want to do your homework for your state/locality AFA warning shots for animals?

Negative, Ghost Rider, I do not. I my case, the dogs had already been warned by being chased and having a few items thrown at them. Being shot was their choice of 'game over' annoucnement.
 
May I ask why you need dogs that intimidate? Do you own a junkyard?

No but I do like to keep my home safe as well as the things inside of it that I have worked hard for years to purchase. My boys do an excellent job of deterring would be intruders.

Are you saying you mistreat dogs in oder to train them?

Just asking?

No, just saying that you can make ANY dog mean, aggressive, whatever you wish to call it. I have trained all my dogs over the years and have found that reward method is the best. Mistreatment will just get you a dog that you will have to watch your back with. They have a habit of turning on those that mistreat them given the chance.

allaround hunter, a very small bit of what you said is correct. They do tend to not like other animals in their territory. Show me a breed that doesn't establish dominance when it can. The thing about Pits is, THEY CAN! They have the ability to establish dominance and defend their territory. This is a natural and basic instinct in all canines. The problem here is,(and yes mods I know it's a bit off topic but it needs to be established) people are giving the Pits such a bad wrap for something that is in no way their fault. Yes they have an aggressive tendency when needed and many have been trained emphasizing on this trait. Take my rotties for instance. They are a pair of sweethearts to most people. With most anyone, the only danger they would be in would be getting licked to death. Unless they are "on duty". If I am not at home, they know no one they don't know VERY well is not to be in my house. They know who is and isn't supposed to be there without me. Lift a hand towards me, my kid, or my grandkid and you may as well make funeral arrangements because you will have both of them tearing you into tiny little pieces. They even look at me mean when I raise my voice at my kid! My Pits were the same way. You would find no better protector for a child than a Pit that was raised with them. They would give their life for a child faster than a thought. I'm just sick and friggin tired of all these morons with absolutely NO first hand knowledge of the breed downing them. Yes there are bad ones, hell there are bad ones of EVERY breed. Fact is, collies have bitten more people than Pits! OHHHHHH NOOOOOOO not Lassie! Yes sir, Collies are more aggressive than people would ever imagine. But since they are associated in the media as sweethearts, and Pits are only associated with thug gangsters, Pits get the bad wrap!

To the person that mentioned you won't hurt a pit by hitting him in the head. My neighbors wife got bit by another neighbors pit really bad. The husband walked down to where the dog lived and caved it's skull in. Pits are not indestructible.

Never said they were. On average, people walking their dog in the park are wearing walking shoes that are generally soft in nature. Hence why I said "short of steel toed boots". Pits are extremely tough especially in the head area. A club would work if delivered properly as would a good heavy boot. But short of that, you are going to endanger yourself by offering it an appendage to chew on.
 
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About two years ago in the fall I was riding my Goldwing from Tacoma, WA home to Medford, OR. It was evening about 60 miles North of Medford when I pulled into a rest area. The place was pretty much empty and as I walked to the men's room I was accosted by a homeless looking guy with two pit bulls. He wanted money "or his dogs might get loose." I'd seen this odd looking guy heading toward me with his dogs so I already had my SR40c in my hand down by my side out of his sight. After he saw the Ruger and I told him if he didn't make tracks he'd need at least two new dogs he left and headed back in the brush behind the rest area. I got back on my bike and went down the highway a couple miles before pulling over to do the business I badly needed to do. I wasn't kidding with the bum, I would have shot both dogs and him too if he'd kept coming on. That was the first time I ever felt unsafe stopping at a rest area but believe me I check them nowadays if it's in the evening and there are few people around. I go with my wife to the door of the women's facility and wait outside well armed if she's with me. As to the PO's original question, I think you did the right thing and showed good restraint not firing. There's no reason in the world that people should be endangered by dogs. One thing that always makes me very angry is the idiot that yells to me, "he won't bite" when his damn dog is running at me all teeth and growl. I suppose my antipathy toward growling dogs comes from being attacked and badly bitten when I was very young. If I'm on the owner's property that's one thing but if I'm on my own or public property, I won't stand for it.
 
I am a dog lover. The owners deserve a smack in this case. My dog has been attacked while I was walking her - it ended up costing me some serious cash at the vet.

Unleashed dogs coming near me when walking my dog will get the boot. If they are still aggressive after that, they may get more. If it happens, the owners are to blame.
 
Pits such a bad wrap for something that is in no way their fault

No, it is not their fault, it is genetics. And maybe it is hard to see what I am saying but I will try to say it better.

They ARE more prone to being aggressive if their owners do not know how to properly train them. Collies are herding dogs, they do bite, but not in an attacking manner, more of a herding instinct (and that is their genetics). Pits are flat out aggressive when they bite. Again, it has been proven, and with advances in DNA it is supported. I know, they can be sweethearts, but they can snap....and I sure as heck am not going to give them (or a rottweiler) a chance to do that around my family or my pets.

Around my farm we have quite a few feral dogs. Most that survive in the wild have Rott and/or Pit in them because it is the fight of the fittest for which survive without human help. I promise you, out of all of the feral dogs, it is the Pits and the Rottweilers that are the most dangerous. When operating on their instincts, these two breeds are more aggressive than any other wild animals that we encounter.
 
The best response to police in such a situation would be "I feared for MY life", not "I was afraid for my doggie". Better legal footing...
 
1. Because dogs are an emotionally volatile subject, dog threads usually go off the rails. I am just going to repeat the beginning of every use of force briefing given by the Army:

Nothing in this brief limits the soldier's inherent right of self-defense. To extrapolate to the subject at hand, if you are in serious danger, protect yourself and your family, however you define that.

2. Pit bulls are not by nature more aggressive towards people. They in fact have been bred to not be aggressive towards people, because they are so powerful. They are inherently more aggressive towards animals.

What can profitably be said here, has.

John
 
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