A PPSH-41 that isn't

[tark]

Hi guys.. Did inventory at the museum Friday and got a few pics. We Have a PPSH -41 that is in pristine condition, but it really isn't a PPSH at all. At least not a Russian one. It is Iranian, and It is quite a few cuts above a Russian gun as pertains to fit and finish. It is also a 9mm. It appears to have never been fired.

Anybody know anything about this gun? I've never heard of these guns but I am pretty ignorant when it comes real fun guns.

 

[Odd Job]

I'd like to fire it!

 

[tark]

You and me both. I am assuming the markings on the receiver are Arabic? We have several drum magazines stored in the back room.

 

[Havok7416]

If it's an Iranian gun there's a good chance the writing is in Farsi. Iran is a Persian country, not Arab.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Hi guys.. Did inventory at the museum Friday and got a few pics. We Have a PPSH -41 that is in pristine condition, but it really isn't a PPSH at all. At least not a Russian one. It is Iranian, and It is quite a few cuts above a Russian gun as pertains to fit and finish. It is also a 9mm. It appears to have never been fired.

Anybody know anything about this gun? I've never heard of these guns but I am pretty ignorant when it comes real fun guns.

Do you guys rub them down with any preservative while you have them out?

 

[dh1633pm]

I am with Nightlord40K, do you just inventory them or does someone inspect them as well like you might to your home collection?

 

[LoonWulf]

Can I get all the markings on my guns done up in that language?
Then at least they would be nice to look at.

Another very neat gun Tark, thanks for sharing!

 

[tark]

Do you guys rub them down with any preservative while you have them out?

I am with Nightlord40K, do you just inventory them or does someone inspect them as well like you might to your home collection?

We do not. Rust has never been a problem. The weapons wall is kept at 68 degrees and 20% humidity, year around. We examine them for any signs of deterioration as we inventory, but I've never seen any. Some of the guns were badly rusted when received. Our first model FG 42 has a cracked receiver and a rusted shut bolt. When a gun is found in that condition, the deterioration is contained and halted. The gun is then sprayed with a preservative that forms an air tight coating.

 

[FL-NC]

An internet search showed that some PPSH41 SMGs were converted to 9mm by the Germans during WW2. They were known to not only place captured weapons into service, they also came up with their own designations for these weapons. In some cases, such as the BHP after the FN plant fell to German occupation, BHP's were still manufactured, with the magazine safety omitted and German military markings added, then issued for use. These nazi BHPs are a desirable collector piece. Going back to the PPSH, I have heard tales of PPSH SMGs captured in afg that were also chambered for 9mm but retained original Russian markings and date codes, although I never saw one (at least to my knowledge- I did find several ppsh in enemy caches, but I never inspected one closely enough to determine if it had been converted, since number 1, at the time I didn't know that was actually a thing, and number 2, I had no desire to fire or otherwise use the weapon which to the best of my knowledge was chambered in 7.62x25 p, due to the fact that the ammunition was not really available, and I didn't intend to utilize such a weapon anyway. The several that I came in contact with were destroyed or rendered unfireable and hung on the walls of our briefing/MWR room on the base as decorations, along with samples of other unusual weapons we captured.

 

[amd6547]

Going from 7.62x25 to 9mm is a step back...
I’d much prefer one in tokarev.