Actual Shootout against armed killers.

[Oro]

All this scrutiny, and no one commented on what I thought was the best line of the original story:

shouting and crying and shooting into the air like a drunk Mexican officer during the Battle of the Alamo.

I kinda liked that line. So you guys make fun of Santa Anna's army in South Africa, too? Gotta love that...

SP - the linked article talks about the fact the attacker shot in the chest had four outstanding warrants for murder. Perhaps the author knew this already when he wrote his story, though he didn't know it at the time of the attack.

 

[TexasRedneck]

Remember that the account is written post-incident, so he has knowledge of their criminal histories. Frankly, I kinda like the fact that there's no plea-bargainin' on their sentences.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

and is a good example of how mindset means so much.

there a quote attributed to an early texas ranger that goes. "theres no stopping a man who knows hes right and keeps coming at you." i tried to imagine my reaction to fighting and thinking i was all that was between my family and a theat. it does motivate a feller

 

[Proud Boer]

Oro,

Sure we make fun of Santa Ana's Army over here! If you ever came to the Free State(the part of South Africa I grew up in),you will think you are in Texas,Oklahoma or Kansas somewhere.Same culture,humor,music,food,hunting,pick up trucks etc,etc.

SP,

Not sure of the velocity but it shoots a flame out the front that makes it terrifying in the dark!

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

glad you made it through OK and docked a robber/murderer of his ticket.
I carried a .22Mag dbl bbl derringer for years as a pocket gun - never had to pull it but came close. I swapped it for a .32acp semi-auto, more shots and little more power.

 

[JNappula]

My work mate sitting in the same office room with me used to live in Cape Town for couple of decades but moved back to Finland two years ago. Most of his SA friends have too emigrated elsewhere, to US, UK and specially to Australia.

Things seem to be pretty wild down there. Stay safe and stay strong!

 

[bratch]

Sure we make fun of Santa Ana's Army over here! If you ever came to the Free State(the part of South Africa I grew up in),you will think you are in Texas,Oklahoma or Kansas somewhere.Same culture,humor,music,food,hunting,pick up trucks etc,etc.

You must be pretty good people then

Congrats on surviving.

 

[Proud Boer]

South Africa is a very prosperous place with opportunity everywhere.The fact is it is more dangerous than the U.K.,Australia,Old Europe,The U.S.A. etc.
It is also a free place where the government are not able to regulate our lives or freedom much,unlike Europe,Australia etc.My forefathers never came here because it was safer than Europe.They came here because it had more opportunity and freedom for them.Nothing has changed!

I would rather look after my own safety than have ANY government do that for me anyway.I live well here and do well.I travel to the USA whenever I like(Europe I avoid,too many people,too little land,too many rules...)

I think I read somewhere about the Founding Fathers of America mentioning that trading in ones freedom for safety ain't worth it.Thats exactly how I feel.

 

[Kentucky-roughrider]

"I would rather look after my own safety than have ANY government do that for me anyway.I live well here and do well.I travel to the USA whenever I like(Europe I avoid,too many people,too little land,too many rules...)

I think I read somewhere about the Founding Fathers of America mentioning that trading in ones freedom for safety ain't worth it.Thats exactly how I feel. "

Well said sir, you seem to learn several lessons from that attack.

Calling someone a lair without proof are fighting words in Kentucky to.

 

[bratch]

I think I read somewhere about the Founding Fathers of America mentioning that trading in ones freedom for safety ain't worth it.Thats exactly how I feel.

Here you go.

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security- Benjamin Franklin

 

[Mal H]

Proud Boer has sent me the pictures of the NAA .22 Magnum and of his arm. I have included two of each here. The other pictures he sent got a little too deeply into his personal life for this thread, so I won't include them (one was the hospital emergency room report which included his full name and the same date as the newspaper account). This should dispel any lingering doubts as to his veracity.


The blown up NAA .22 Magnum:

His two arm wounds:

 

[Slamfire]

It is great to read of a successful defense against armed killers.

If you read or listen to international radio, South Africa has had a lot of these car jackings.

Most Americans are not even aware of the little drug war (which may topple that Government) which is going on south of the border, never mind the problems in SA.

The cylinder has a hole blown in it.The topstrap is detached from the frame.The locking rod of the cylinder is sheared off.The frame is cracked and bent.A 22 magnum operates at pretty high pressures.My arms have healed o.k. from the 7.62 rounds but I still have metal filings in my hand from the .22.mag.They slowly surface and pop out!

I never thought much of a .22 rimfire as a self defense weapon, though it obviously is better than nothing. I have shot these little NAA's, they are small, hard trigger pull, and the bullets did not land anywhere the sight picture.

After seeing the cylinder blow up, on a NAA used in a lethal situation, I don't intend to trade any of my 38 snubbies for one of these.

It is a sad comment on the lack of effectiveness of the .22LR, all the criminals that were hit ran off, but were capable of further violence. I assume the one that died simply bled out.

 

[glockman19]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[SsevenN]

Boer, you are very proficient with such a measley handgun, I commened you once again. Good shoot.

 

[Zundfolge]

Most revolvers are designed to redirect the blast of a catastrophic failure away from the shooter ... the NAA apparently not so much.

I've thought about one of these for a BUG too (that and they are just plain nifty) but I think I'll stick with a P3AT as a bug instead.

 

[ezenbrowntown]

Glad to see you made it out "O.K." (I doubt being shot is considered O.K., but it is much better than what could have happened.) I will say you have given much more credibility IMO to the smaller calibers. There is some truth to the "A gun beats NO gun" theory.

Thanks for sharing you experience/lessons learned with us. It is most appreciated. And if she doesn't know how to already, I get that wife trained to shoot too! Stuck behind a tree with your 22 mag, she should be laying down some fire to help you out!

 

[AWP79]

Good job great story to tell the grandkids.

 

[batjka]

I'm just trying to figure out what would be the cause of such catastrophic failure. From what I heard and read the NAAs are pretty tough and stand up well to the abuse.

How many rounds have you shot through this gun before? Have you had any previous problems with it?

I see one round in the cylinder still intact. So 4 shots had been fired over the course of the gun battle. Did you stick the barrel in the ground somehow obstructing it? Maybe it was hit by some fragments from the assailants' bullets?

Another theory would be an out of battery discharge. Meybe the trigger was pulled while the bullet was not completely alligned with the barrel? That's pretty far-fetched of course, but who knows.

Please share your thoughts on the cause of the blow-up.

 

[Spyvie]

Proud Boer, I am proud to be a member of the same forum as you!

Damn glad you're OK too.

Get your wife a rifle...

 

[MikePGS]

Wow Proud, glad to hear you came out on top

For the rest of us, is there anything that you think you should have done differently, ie anything that could help prepare the rest of us in case we are faced with the same thing? Thank you very much for sharing your story.

 

[Proud Boer]

MikePGS

There is something I learned and I failed there badly.That was being alert and aware of my surroundings.In the suburb where I live,there are no streetlamps,lots of trees and large erven.The goblins were parked outside in the road in their getaway vehicle.I never took the car to notice them.They got the jump on me because I was not paying attention to my surroundings.I did a fair amount of martial arts when younger and my coach always told me that the best block to use in a fight is to be two blocks away! Being aware could have made this possible.

P.B.

 

[batjka]

Proud Boer,

Is the barrel still intact? Any damage to it?

 

[ar10]

I'm glad it turned out in your favor. You were very lucky. I've read a lot about the violence in SA particularly the carjackings that seem to be going on all over SA.
A few years ago I read about a company that installed a type of 12g shotgun contraption in the side panels of cars and controlled by the driver specifically for carjackers. In SA carjacking has a much more violent meaning than here in the US.

 

[Proud Boer]

batjka,

The barrel seems o.k. but is badly nicked where the cylinder slammed against the frame.The locking rod is sheared clean off and the frame is bent from the force.The barrel looks strait but I am not sure.

 

[MikePGS]

Ahh thank you sir.