Actual Shootout against armed killers.

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There is something I learned and I failed there badly.That was being alert and aware of my surroundings.In the suburb where I live,there are no streetlamps,lots of trees and large erven.
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Do you have exterior lights around your house? If so did they help illuminate the threat once it was realized?
 
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Many thanks for the story and photos. Glad you prevailed in the battle!

I really like my NAA mini .22 mag but I'm thinking I should be looking for a new mouse gun...
 
Ya' done good Proud Boer. I too am curious about the failure of the NAA revolver. Looks like the head of the remaining round is blown off indicating an obstructed barrel or firing out of time with the cylinder not being lined up with the barrel.
Actually, looking closer at the picture, it looks like the bullet in the remaining case is still crimped in and doesn't appeared to have moved forward which would point toward a case failure. What ammo were you using?
 
There is something I learned and I failed there badly.That was being alert and aware of my surroundings.
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Something similar happened to me, about 15 years ago. I had my head up my fourth point of contact, got myself into a situation where a toad could approach me with impunity.

Fortunately, I didn't have to shoot -- I showed the toad my .45 and he hopped off at a high rate of speed.:D
 
I never had good illumination before my ordeal.I do now.
I had fired about 300 rounds wil this gun before.always used CCI since owning it.
 
Great story (the ending, at least). Such bad luck to have that gun blow up on you just when you needed it and after you had already proven it with 300 rounds. Any chance the round before the one that blew it was a squib and left the bullet in the barrel? that's a scenario one might notice on the range and not take another shot but not notice while under fire.
 
My revolver cylinder shows .097" between the tip of the projectile and the end of the cylinder with CCI Maximag HPs. The remaining round in the cylinder may show a bit of forward movement but is it enough to strike the frame if the cylinder is not lined up with the barrel? Do you plan to send the weapon back to NAA?
Thanks and good luck.
 
From reading the account, Boer fire 4 shots - 1 into the first attacker, one into the 2nd attacker, another one into the first attacker and the shot that blew up the gun.
So a third round could not have been a squib because the cops found two holes in the first attacker's body. The barrel is also intact, meaning that there was no barrel blockage.
That leaves us with two possibilities - a blocked chamber or a case failure. I doubt the case failure would cause such damage to the revolver. The cases are very thin and do not provide much support against exploding gases. Maybe the cylinder chamber got blocked with debris and the bullet had nowhere to go. Maybe the cylinder was hit by bullet fragments and damaged.
Another possibility is a double-loaded round. If reloaders make mistakes so could the ammo companies.
In any case I don't think NAA is at fault here. So don't get rid of yours just yet. It DID save the Boer's life that day after all.

Maybe this gun could be sent back to NAA and analyzed. Their reputation rests on cases like this.
 
What caused the little gun to blow up is a mystery to me as well as a few local gunsmiths who have looked at it. I want to place on record that I do not hold it against N.A.A. in any way. That gun saved my life and possibly my family's too. N.A.A are a great company and great guys. I have been in contact with them and they are more than happy to replace it for me with a new one. Our gun laws mandate me to export it to them with a govt permit and import the new one with the same serial number. N.A.A would thus have to keep the old ,damaged one.

I would rather frame the damaged lifesaver together with the original newspaper article and hang it on my office wall. My Star PD has been my carry gun since 1990. I have fired 10,000+ round through it, it carries real easy and always being cocked and locked is rocket fast on draw to first shot.

It is the perfect carry gun here in South Africa,with all due respect to my lifesaving N.A.A.

I also love single action revolvers and love shooting them. I will gladly use one of mine for home defence should the need arise. My Uberti 1875 Outlaw in .357 mag rocks and rolls and never misses!

I plan to get a place in Kansas or Oklahoma sometime and a N.A.A. a regular item in my pocket them. If BHO does not spoil the fun.
 
PB-
Thank you again for the post-incident report on something this dynamic and harrowing. The pictures dispel any doubt for those naysayers and I thank you because it helped to visualize the catastrophic failure of the NAA. I have to marvel at your ability to get off well aimed shots with that diminuitive revolver, and successfully thwarting an attack on you and yours with a marginal caliber such as a 22 mag.
I agree 100 percent on your choice to carry something larger now, however. You combined a lot of skill with a little round and a little luck and were able to fight off 3 attackers. As a gambling man I'd say you just hit a great parlay or were dealt 4 of a kind right there. But you and I both know luck won't infinetley be there. And that is when your great skill and proven cababilites of any number of service rounds available will stack the odds so far in your favor it will be a winning proposition. If it were me in SA though I'd need at least a platoon of marines with me wherever I went. :D
Glad to have you aboard! Hope you learn as much from your stay as I have from your short tenure!

I think we may have to start a collection for PB, so he can keep the gun that saved his life. Any Takers? I'm gonna go work the number out right now...lol




chilie

ps I love your recollection of your martial arts instructor's quote. I'll have to rememeber that
 
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Carrying guns here is no problem. Getting a license to own one takes effort and time. You need to jump through many hoops but once you have it, carrying it is allowed, no problem. There are limits to ownership too. A registered collector, a dedicated sportsman (like myself) and dedicated hunter can own many (types and quantity) but a casual shooter can own one handgun (or pump action shotgun) for self protection, one handgun for occasional sports shooting and 2 rifles or 1 rifle and one shotgun (pump excluded)

Our legal system also does not allow for civil cases to follow a legal shooting of a perp. Our gun laws are actually quite user friendly!
 
Is South Africa a liberal or a conservative state? I don't know much about SA, but I thought that with the widening of voting rights, etc. that it might have become more leftst. I am surprised that carrying guns is allowed. I think about the District of Columbia here in the USA. Even with terrible crime, they would not open up and allow citizens to own and carry guns. Why does South Africa?
 
Ok so let's round membership to about 83,000. And let's take a conservative price of $300 US, to buy and ship said gun. It comes to a little over .003 cents. So everyone mail a check for 1 US cent to PB. And he'll havehis new gun :)
 
Damien,

When us Boers were in charge here, we were really conservative. Sadly we were not a real democracy as only a minority had the vote. We decided as a minority to change that and became a true democracy and negotiate a settlement as we were fighting constant war as a result of the unfair situation. Our first democratic president was Nelson Mandela and yes the country moved left and became liberal. Economically we did prosper but for many of us our "change" was fairly radical.

The cultures of the different groups in South Africa is respected though and our group of white South Africans have a deep rooted gun culture and thus we still have the ability to own guns in South Africa. With our abnormally high crime rates and our police overwhelmed by it, most South Africans of all groups support gun ownership and many will not ever accept being unarmed.

It seems to me that some sort of licensing of firearms is a trend worldwide. Most countries that have banned guns have never had a gun culture. In that sense South Africa and the USA seem to almost stand alone. Pioneering countries such as ours have got a deep seated gun culture, although I am sure most politicians, especially the socialist leaning types, rue that and would love to grab our guns.

Wish we had second amendment rights though!

chillie,
Thanks for your kind sentiments but I think the bragging rights the blown up NAA give me make it worth keeping, I still have another dozen guns or so!!! :)
 
Alright, it looks like I was wrong. I do not think it was the ammo though. The 22's are rimfires (so you can't reload them), and you'd have to have a double loaded round from the factory. I've fired many thousands of 22's from several manufacturers and have never seen nor heard of anyone experiencing something like this. Glad you made it out alive, but I darn sure wouldn't ever trust my life to an NAA revolver again. Next time, it might blow up on the first shot and then where would you be?
 
Thinking about it, I had one pistol that, if it had been a little weaker, would have blown up like your NAA. It was a Heritage Arms .22lr single-action pistol. I had been firing it for about a box full when it made a funny-sounding shot and sent bits in all directions. When I checked it I found that the cylinder hadn't advanced all of the way and the hammer had just caught the edge of the cartridge rim. Much of the bullet hit the forcing cone and splashed, putting a lot of stress on the frame and sending lead in all directions. The cause? A bit of lint in the action, causing the hand to slip partway through cocking.
 
Proud Boer has sent me the pictures of the NAA .22 Magnum and of his arm.
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Nobody should have to prove their stories here. Besides, it's the internet - believe it or not...and keep your doubts to yourself unless you have evidence to back 'em up.

Proud Boer: I am sorry you had to endure such an incident - and then have your veracity questioned by some of us not-so-High Roaders.

I'm sure the doubters will rush to post their apologies and expressions of embarrassment (although, oddly enough, I haven't seen any yet).

Good job on using what ya got and continuing to fight until the threat was overcome.

That is the lesson I take away from this: When violently assaulted; NEVER quit until it's over - one way or the other.
 
Great post, thank you for sharing your experience.


You are a prime target as a successful white person in SA.
Many people here in the US may not understand as the race situation is totaly different, but SA is in general very racist, with the blacks the most resentful and racist group in modern times.
Whites are a minority making up about 9%, and successful whites are very despised by a large segment of the population (not all the blacks are racist but a significant portion are, especialy bitter about the history of apartheid.)
Right or wrong it is the way it is. You will be hated by many people just by being white there. By being white and successful your chances of being involved in a violent attack are very high.
The OP's vehicle, his attire, and likely his home all tell the criminals he is a valuable target. Knowing he is involved in the insurance business would increase this.
No amount of US political correctness changes this.
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South Africa is a rough place. One of the highest crime rates in the world, second in assaults and murders out of the UN recorded nations.
It is also the HIV (almost 6 million, and almost 20% of adult population) and the rape capital of the world, an interesting combination.
http://www.avert.org/subaadults.htm
It has been the rape capital of the devloped world since the 90's, some interesting tidbits from 1999 BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/258446.stm
Gang rape 'fun'

In a related survey conducted among 1,500 schoolchildren in the Soweto township, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling' - a South African term for recreational gang rape - was fun.

More than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.
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Survey of boys now the adult age.
Tourists don't escape gang rapes either, and those that try to help can wind up shot:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2490859.stm
Just in case you think anything changed:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7072818.stm
Rape is a hobby by many in South Africa and the culture condones it many places.

I could cite many additional statistics, like the UN's or other British studies, but they always mention "gun crime" and have seperate "gun" statistics. Clearly baised in wanting to destroy firearm ownership in most of thier crime related stories. So I won't give them airtime, but south Africa is one of the most dangerous places in the world.


The OP certainly should get his wife her own gun that she can carry.
It is also not uncommon for shots to be fired before words are spoken by criminals in South Africa. Just being armed is only a chance at a good outcome.

South Africa is the most dangerous place that has our modern lifestyle (developed world.)
Yet English is the most common language, spoken by 30% of the population, so feel free to visit.




In light of the situation in South Africa when someone from South Africa comes on and tells thier story dealing with violent criminals I am inclined to take thier story at face value. When they are a highly targeted minority, and thier story implies they are clearly a successful businessman making them a further target... I am inclined to consider it even more likely accurate.
I was a bit amazed at the childish comments of some initialy.


When us Boers were in charge here, we were really conservative. Sadly we were not a real democracy as only a minority had the vote. We decided as a minority to change that and became a true democracy and negotiate a settlement as we were fighting constant war as a result of the unfair situation. Our first democratic president was Nelson Mandela and yes the country moved left and became liberal. Economically we did prosper but for many of us our "change" was fairly radical.
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Yes South Africa has gone way downhill since the end of Apartheid.
However it was a necessary step.
9% of the population in charge is certainly major oppression, even if more successful and prosperous.
The ends do not justify the means.



South Africa is the only nation in the world that became a nuclear power, and then destroyed its nuclear capabilities, nuclear weapons, and all traces of the technology.
They did not want the new government to be armed with nuclear weapons, not trusting them to show the restraint of the Boer appartheid government.


Thank you for sharing your story. Be safe, and stay armed. Keep your wife armed too.
 
The cultures of the different groups in South Africa is respected though and our group of white South Africans have a deep rooted gun culture and thus we still have the ability to own guns in South Africa. With our abnormally high crime rates and our police overwhelmed by it, most South Africans of all groups support gun ownership and many will not ever accept being unarmed.
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I have heard from some people I know from South Africa that the government has been quite restrictive with gun laws. From my knowledge, in South Africa, you are either only allowed two guns per person or two guns per household, I am not sure which. In a place where criminals are massively armed, I suppose this is quite a limitation. Also, I hear the government is taking measures to prevent whites in South Africa from leaving, since they have a majority of the wealth. It would not surpised me if some ultra-left wing African dictator takes the grip on South Africa in the next decade and imposes the same tyranny on the white population that Mugabe has done in ZImbabwe.

Its a real shame. Africa's only gem has been turning into rusted metal. My advice for all South African Boers is to leave the country as soon as possible. I have noticed a lot of South Africans have move to Uganda, Ghana and other African countries where they are not only safer, but treated like royalty. Of course you will have to deal with malaria, horrible health care, terrifying driving conditions, tribal clashes and government overthrows time to time. I, myself have been to Africa a couple times. In some countries they allow white people to carry gun, but won't allow the local population to have guns. Hiring 24hr a day armed bodyguards is pretty dang cheap in these places. Also, in places like Ghana or Uganda, if someone is caught stealing they just beat him to death, so the thieving profession is not as prevelant as you would think in a country of dirt poor people. Its funny, I suppose they realize that wealthy foreigners won't overthrow the government or commit crimes, in their totalitarian minds.

OF course , as for me, Africa is fun for a safari, but thats it.
 
That's very, very impressive. My hat is off to you, Proud Boer.

I for one would be proud to be your fellow American when you move here.

Thank you for the detailed story and your experience. We can all learn from this, and it's always a big help when we can get an actual account from an actual fight.
 
Its funny, I suppose they realize that wealthy foreigners won't overthrow the government or commit crimes, in their totalitarian minds.
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It is not funny it is the same reason things like the NFA and machinegun market are the way they are here.
If only the wealthy have most of them then they are less likely to be used in violent crime.
The rich have better security, better safes, (most guns in crimes were stolen) better reason to obey the law, more to lose, and clearly benefit from the way things are.
You certainly could make a logical argument that nobody making less than X per year should even be able to own a gun, especialy the more effective arms. They have tried to do that in the US with "saturday night special" and other 'too cheap' gun laws.
That still is anti-freedom and very much against the ideals of the 2nd Amendment.
A segment of the population doing well, and armed enough to stay in power or who support those in power against the will of the people is a form of tyranny.

It also causes more resentment of those with special privilidges, which helps people like Mugabe come to power who will punish them, and violate thier rights.

Yes Africa is corrupt.
People with more wealth by definition have the best chance of additional privilidges in places that are corrupt. They contribute the most wealth to society, generate the most taxes, can afford fees, give gifts and business contracts to important people and otherwise perform actions that cause powerful people to favor them. Many of them also worked hard to get where they are and are and are not about to throw it away for minor gain.
That does not make corruption or a class based society good.

Under the caste system in India most crime and problems were from the lowest classes too. Big surprise?
I guess denying them rights of the upper classes would make sense then too?
After all they have the least to lose and were the most likely to revolt. Logicly it would only make sense to restrict them so they won't be able to effectively resist tyranny.

Everyone should be treated fairly and equaly. People that are less wealthy should still have the same rights and freedoms.
People that earn a high level of success and wealth should not be punished with unfair progressive tax systems just because they can be outvoted. A flat percent would be fair. But tyranny of the majority persists.
There is a lot of predjudice in the world and even the US between different classes. Special privelidges given to the elite, just look at something like the Los Angeles CCW system. Also a lot of "rich person" hatred, predjudice against people just because they are more successful.
Any favoring of different groups of people is not consistant with the idealogy of our nation. Any differential treatment is wrong.
There is many logical reasons for tyranny and oppression, that does not make them right.
 
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