Actual Shootout against armed killers.

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Hello Proud Boer,

My daily carry is a NAA .22 Mag identical to yours. I usually load mine with Remington's 40 gr. Pointed Soft Points. I really appreciate you posting your story here. Its interesting how people will swear-off NAA because of your experience, but still think S&W, Ruger and Glock are A-OK, even though those companies have all had similar random kabooms with factory ammo.

FYI- Here is a link to chronograph results from my NAA:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=288266

A. CCI 30 gr. TNT JHP- 1151 fps (88 fpe)
B. CCI 30 gr. +V JHP- 1183 fps (92 fpe)
C. CCI 40 gr. JHP- 1015 fps (91 fpe)
D. REM 40 gr. PSP- 1016 fps (92 fpe)
E. CCI 50 gr. Gold Dot- 883 fps (87 fpe)
F. Federal 50 gr. JHP- 897 fps (89 fpe)

Take Care!

Hunter
 
Van n ex-boer . .. . my hoed af vir jou!!!
Wel gedoen

I can attest to the situation in South Africa, being an ex-South African myself, with all my family still living there.

Few people are aware that most homes in the city suburbs of Pretoria, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Durban and other large cities, are almost without exception fenced-in compounds, with 6ft security fences, barbed wire, or worse covering the top of the fences, electrically operated security gates, burglar bars on all windows, extra security doors to the exterior and also typically at least one security gate inside the house, locked at night to secure the bedroom area.

My own brother was car-jacked and shot in the leg while I was still living back in South Africa.

Middle class people (irrespective of skin color) are constant targets of violent car jackings, burglaries and viscious home invasions.

The 'goblins' have no respect for human life and will not hesitate to indiscriminately kill their hapless victims.
 
I have to make one observation: when the government changed in South Africa in the 90s there were a lot of hijackings and killings of whites. There was an epidemic of this, no doubt the period 1995 to 2000 was the worst for gratuitous killings of whites.

HOWEVER....at present it is a free for all. Most of the violence is black on black. There is as much division between the black 'tribes' now as there was between black and white in years gone by. And if you're a Zimbabwean...well, you could end up under a train if they find out (they see any black foreigners as a direct threat to their livelihood).
There are 11 official languages in South Africa. It is not a given that all 11 peoples are united under one happy rainbow.

Unfortunately I don't share proud Boer's optimism for South Africa's outlook. It is headed the same way as all the other African countries. It has great mineral wealth and great beauty, but all that amounts to nought if it is mismanaged. Rolling power cuts, overt corruption and tribal bickering have put SA on a downward spiral. It's getting a good shove from HIV and general crime also.
Anyone who is deluded about prospects in South Africa needs to check out the history of one of its neighbours: Mozambique.

Few people are aware that most homes in the city suburbs of Pretoria, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Durban and other large cities, are almost without exception fenced-in compounds, with 6ft security fences, barbed wire, or worse covering the top of the fences, electrically operated security gates, burglar bars on all windows, extra security doors to the exterior and also typically at least one security gate inside the house, locked at night to secure the bedroom area.
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That describes it accurately.
I never left home without my pistol, and I carried 24/7 even in banks, hospitals and several aircraft also.

We had quite few hospital colleagues killed, one of them was an ENT surgeon shot dead at the hospital gate by four teenagers after his BMW.
It is true: everyone knows someone who has been shot or hijacked in South Africa. I have had a gun and a knife pulled on me, and I have pulled also.

That's the nature of the beast.
 
HOWEVER....at present it is a free for all. Most of the violence is black on black. There is as much division between the black 'tribes' now as there was between black and white in years gone by. And if you're a Zimbabwean...well, you could end up under a train if they find out (they see any black foreigners as a direct threat to their livelihood).
There are 11 official languages in South Africa. It is not a given that all 11 peoples are united under one happy rainbow.
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Well its good to know that SOuth Africa is getting back to normal, its becoming just like all the other african nations. In 30 years they won't remember the Boers, they will be too busy hating one anothers tribe. Sorry for my sick humor, although its a good analogy.

In relation to guns:
I was in Uganda for 6 weeks and witnessed some nasty stuff. THe leader is from a tribe called Buyankole. They have several enemy tribes, especially the Buganda, Busoga, Ateso and others. Each tribe has deep resentment for the other. The president of Uganda, Yoweri Museveni has banned arms from all the tribes that he hates and has heavily armed his own tribe and other nomadic thieving tribes that raid the cattle and homes of his enemy tribes.

In Uganda, if you own a firearm and you are not approved by the government, the punishment is death. I know of enemy tribesman who have literally been shot dead on the spot for having a firearm, you don't mess around over there. Tribes like the Luo and Atesso in the north were suffering heavily from cattle raids and village raids by a very barbaric nomad tribe called the Karamajong. The Karamajong have been given large numbers of fully automatic AK-47s by the government, which they claim is needed to protect their cattle. The Karamajong believe by God all cows on earth belong to them. THey can be pretty freaky, I have met some and are not particularly friendly to outsiders. Well, the government knows very well , the Karamajong use their guns to brutalize and steal from the villagers of enemy tribes, secretly sponsored by the president. The villagers in the north are rather helpless and government will not allow any gun ownership. ITs plows and machetes vs fully auto commie guns.

Due to heavy media censorship, outsiders will really never have this knowledge. We are so focused on the middle esat we don't see the other atrocities that happen around the world.

I did notice a lot of wealthy South Africans and Europeans living quite well in the city of Kampala. Some places in Kampala looked like Beverly Hills. I suppose foreigners live pretty good there in the capital city, at least for now.
 
I plan to get a place in Kansas or Oklahoma sometime and a N.A.A. a regular item in my pocket them.If BHO does not spoil the fun.
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If you make it to OK I'll buy you a beer.
 
Well, the mystery of exploding gun might have been solved. I took a liberty of posting this story along with pictures on the NAA forum.

One of the gentlemen there suggested that the cylinder pin had popped out under recoil and the cylinder got misalligned with the barrel.
It seems like a plausible theory. The cylinder pins are known weak points of the NAA revolvers.

Boer, when you were shooting your NAA previously have you ever had the pin pop out partially?
 
You are truly a lucky man to walk away from that situation! I always considered the NAA revolvers to be a last resort weapon, right ahead of a sharp stick, but it looks like it did the job, albeit a little short on durability. Give some serious thought to the minimum caliber you want to bet your life on though.

Glad you're in one piece Sir!
 
Proud Boer said:
Carrying guns here is no problem.Getting a licence to own one takes effort and time.You need to jump through many hoops but once you have it,carrying it is allowed,no problem.
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I think you'll find the opposite issue if you immigrate to the US. Once you're here you'll find that buying guns is much easier than carrying them. Most states won't issue concealed carry licenses to non-citizens, so Resident Aliens cannot legally carry concealed.

If you end up in Kansas you will have to be a resident for 6 months before you can get your CCW, in Oklahoma you qualify as soon as you get your drivers license. However I do believe that both require you to be US Citizens (there is some dispute here as under the law Permanent Resident Aliens are supposed to enjoy the same treatment as Citizens with the exception of voting rights).

Here in Colorado the idiots in Denver are considering a law that would make purchase of firearms by even legal resident aliens illegal (although this may only apply to purchase from licensed dealers and not from private individuals).
 
Did you get your deposit back for the tux? or did you own it....

Thats too bad about the crime there, But good for you!!! Its good to here storys of people that stand up for themselves

thanks for posting
 
Hey boertjie, welkom!

We seem to have a few SA members and quite a few expats here on THR.

Couple of years back Joe da Silva (owner, Parow Arms & Ammo (gunshop)) used his NAA 22 mag to drive off some goblins (politically correct term coined by Col. Jeff) as well.

Problem now is, with the new laws one can only licence one gun for self defence. Fools in parliament with their own bodyguards telling us what to do.

Mooi man.

Koos in Cape Town
 
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Well done and well written.

Lest we bag too much on NAA firearms I would like to point out one thing. For a time I volunteered as a range safety officer at a public access gun range. I went into the range and heard the other RSO’s talking about what had happened the day before. A shooter brought in a new gun and began firing it. After a couple of shots the slide broke in half. The front half few down range the back half into the guys face.

It was a brand new Kimber Ultra-light .45 APC.

As for the original post sounding like it is a piece of fiction reverse engineered from an existing news story. Proud Boer simply can write and write well. It seems to be a dying skill in USA. Americans in general can’t write. Our education system is sadly lacking in the language department.

If goblin is an offensive term I think I need abandon the career I am trying to start. (I am a writer of fantasy fiction.)
 
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The cyl pin coming out is probably correct as Batjka said. Mine falls apart about every 3rd shot. A misaligned cyl would do it. Boer was lucky to get off 3 good shots.
 
Then he needs to move to FL . . . . . I have my CWP down here in the Gunshine state
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Apparently Utah will also issue to Resident Aliens.



Americans in general can’t write. Our education system is sadly lacking in the language department.
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Hey now, we Americans is just as good if not gooder writing as them South Africans and other Europeans!
 
Americans in general can’t write.
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In *general* that might be true but go read Marko, Ambulance Driver, Brigit... there are some 'merkins who write well enough to cover for the rest.

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/plumbing-emergency-at-castle-frostbite/

http://ambulancedriverfiles.blogspot.com/2009/03/love-song-for-katybeth.html

http://mausersandmuffins.blogspot.com/

http://mymoderncountryhome.blogspot.com/2009/03/integrity.html

http://highlytrainedmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/10/prayers.html

http://boobsinjuriesanddrpepper.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-ways-of-speaking.html (Just ignore the "Finley" stuff, OK?)

http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/reuben-sandwich.html

Just a bit of my blogroll. Yes sir, some 'merkins sure can write.

Hey now, we Americans is just as good if not gooder
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"...better..."

Yea, I know, you knew that, your snark is showing, yadda yadda. Still, watching USA stuff on TV, we love Firefly, but "you done good" soooooo grates.

And *I* know what "zundfolge" means :) 'smatter of fact, once impressed friend Leitmotif with that factoid.

:)
 
Perhaps his NAA Mini .22 got damaged by a bullet from one of his attackers shooting at him during the attack. This then made it structurally unsound and caused it to blow up when he fired it the next time after it was damaged. Might be very hard to detect on the debris left over.
 
Either it was damaged by one of the suspects bullet or shrapnel, or just a bad batch of metal. Either way, that thing sure blew up!

It served it's duty, you and your family are alive.

Remember, scars are tattoos with stories!
 
Boer you should send your story to the folks at NAA. They ought to be ashamed enough to replace the gun, if so I would go for one of the 380 Guardians, more gun and better put together. You have lived through a life and death situation and did it with a lowly 22. some of us are armed to the teeth and won't need them. More proof, you fight with what you got.
 
I seems that my dig at American writers was misunderstood. I was attempting to point out Proud Boer’s writing skill. He is a very well written man. I was attempting to point out that Americans are not used to formal writing on Internet posts. Most of the time we just toss words on the screen run a spell check to make sure the words are spelled correctly and submit the post.

I am in no way saying that all Americans are poor writers. What I am really attempting to say is we Americans can be careless when we write Internet posts. There are many examples of excellent American writers. Poorly written posts are a pet peeve of mine. I have turned into something of a writing cop recently.

Because american Internet posters can be a bit careless it looks a bit unusual when someone takes time to make sure his or her posts are well written. Because Proud Boer’s post is well written it is different; therefore, it was suspected to be a work of fiction. Some people are automatically suspicious of things that are different. It’s unfortunate but true.
 
I seems that my dig at American writers was misunderstood. I was attempting to point out Proud Boer’s writing skill. He is a very well written man. I was attempting to point out that Americans are not used to formal writing on Internet posts. Most of the time we just toss words on the screen run a spell check to make sure the words are spelled correctly and submit the post.
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I disagree. I believe that you may be forming a mistaken stereotype due to the fact that you're posting on a board frequented mostly by Americans. Thus, any foreigner's posts will be unduly influenced by your judgment. Although THR does have some foreign posters, I think it's safe to assume that the majority are American. Generally speaking, education and maturity level are the best predictors of attention to spelling on an internet forum, regardless of country of origin.

I don't mean to be rude, but Proud Boer's writing isn't especially great; mine isn't especially noteworthy either, but I do notice quite a few comma errors right off the bat.

Lastly, I disagree with your claim that people are assuming Proud Boer's post is fictional because it is different / well written. I speculate that concerns about PB's story's validity come from several sources, including:
1. Quite a few "Hollywood" dramatizations reminiscent of Gecko45
2. The poster's new status to the board. With no reputation to go on, his post is subject to more criticism than someone who is more familiar to the board. This criterion doesn't affect the validity of his story per se, but does ratchet up the level of scrutiny most readers would have before accepting the story as truth.
3. The excited tone of the story just feels suspect. In most stories about defensive shootings, the person pulling the trigger typically doesn't recount the moment with such zealousness.
4. It could be that the story is just creative fiction based on the facts presented in the real news article. The aggrandizing language and Hollywood moments reinforce this possibility.
5. A possible factual error: PB reports that one of the suspects died after fleeing. It's possible that he lingered on in a hospital until after the article was published, or that the reporter got the facts wrong (it wouldn't be the first time), but it's a pretty grave error to have a shooting occur on May 8th and not know the most basic details by May 11th.

I can't say that PB is a liar or that his story is false, but I do understand from where criticisms of his story may arise.
 
“Generally speaking, education and maturity level are the best predictors of attention to spelling on an internet forum, regardless of country of origin.” –Tennesseean

I agree with this statement. I would like to point out I have written on other forums. In those other forums people really struggle with good writing. Too be honest I must admit on some of the other forums maturity level may be a factor

However, I remember the lack of serious attention I am most of my peers gave High School English. I also remember just how hard people had to struggle in a college level English Class. I also ponder the email communications I received at my job. All of these led me to the conclusion that the writing skill is lacking in the United States. I am not sure if Americans cannot write or if we have gotten into the habit of being careless. Personally I lean towards careless.

I am not trying to offend anyone actually I am trying to inspire people to pay more attention to their writing. I do not claim to be perfect. You should see how many times I have to edit and still there are mistakes.

Sorry to digress off the point.
 
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Ok, a gentleman puts his life in danger, tells us about it, shows us scars and the poor firearm that saved his and his family's life but you are concerned about spelling?

Again Proud Boer, we're all glad to see that everything came out alright on your end and that you protected your family. Its a shame that you have had to go through this, but imagine how many lives you could of saved by now.
 
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