Airsoft OUCH THEY HURT!!

[GoBrush]

We went to my Brother InLaws for Christmas and his 8 year old boy shot me about 6 times in the stomach (it was an auto). TICKED ME OFF I took it from the little puke and unloaded on him. He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the ???? thing. (I probably should have just taken it away and givin it to his mom and dad and let them punish the puke) Any way I know I did not handle the situation well but here is my question.

To me any gun that something comes out of the barrel is a "GUN" and all safety rules should apply. The ONLY situation I would agree with shooting another human with one of these would be for force on force training. I hate to put a crimp on the Airsoft market (ya right) but I just do not think these make good toys (or for that matter neither do paint ball guns) In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

Open for any helpful views on this.

 

[wallysparx]

To me any gun that something comes out of the barrel is a "GUN" and all safety rules should apply.

so...you shouldn't have shot the kid back with the airsoft gun then?

 

[HD]

it says right on the instuction "do not shoot the creature" with an illustration of a critter/human...
most people are idiots , the local pukes have airsoft wars all the time , try a 600 fps fullauto with .20/.25/.30 gram pellets...
THEY WILL DRAW BLOOD!!! fricking idjits ! ...

 

[ka50]

it says right on the instuction "do not shoot the creature" with an illustration of a critter/human...
most people are idiots , the local pukes have airsoft wars all the time , try a 600 fps fullauto with .20/.25/.30 gram pellets...
THEY WILL DRAW BLOOD!!! fricking idjits ! ...

local pukes? have airsoft battles? ...

most automatic electrical guns (full auto airsofts) have about 300fps. A lot of people actually have MilSim airsoft battles and tournaments, like paintball, did you know that?

 

[Lucky]

If you obey the safety rules there are no problems. Simple as that.

Rules like: -observe 'mercy' kills at close ranges -wear protective equipment -when in doubt as to whether harm will be done by firing at another, err on the side of caution.

I have paintball guns, but I follow airsoft somewhat. I see flak-jackets in shops for airsoft players, and they are filled with foam. I guess it's not just for looks.

And with 'sniper rifles' of airsoft, I'm certain, there are absolute minimum ranges within which they are not allowed to be fired at opponents.


Once again, if people mis-use an item it is not the fault of the item. The item in question could just as easily been a pool cue or a hammer, and the mis-use would have been just as inappropriate.

 

[Chuck123]

Take the time.

Maybe you could to gently talk to him and his Dad about the proper mine set and handling of any type of firearms. Possibly a good start is with the information the NRA has for kids (Eddie Eagle). Contact NRA and get some information.

You just might be the person that can straighten this kid around and turn him into a reasonable young man.

PS: I think all kids need responsible Audits to help them that truly care.

Chuck

 

[kage genin]

I hate to put a crimp on the Airsoft market (ya right) but I just do not think these make good toys (or for that matter neither do paint ball guns) In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

Have you stopped to think that what you're effectively doing is blaming the inanimate object for what happened rather than the irresponsible person/people? It's completely unfair to paint all airsofting/paintballing kids as irresponsibly dangerous little pukes. If they are (and there are a lot out there), guess what?

It isn't the gun's fault.

It just sounds hypocritical to criticise anti-gun groups like the VPC for demonizing all gun owners because guns are used by criminals, yet demonize airsofters/paintballers because of the actions of a kid with apparently questionable upbringing.

 

[280PLUS]

Just recently I found myself literally in the middle of 3 guys (not kids) having a little airsoft war out in a parking lot behind the reaturant I was going into. When I saw the guns at first, I damn near began reaching for mine. Except it ain't no airsoft. I just walked on without saying anything because until I read this I thought they were virtually harmless. Should there be a next time, I'll be speaking up.

 

[ATAShooter]

Kind of the same situation here ( their Daddy is a butthead and don't teach them crap )... I have a 15 yr old nephew and a 10 yr. They were burning each other wildly with these weapons and what I did was I took one of the rifles and found something pretty easy to break ( I used a ball off the Christmas tree ) and popped it with it from 3 ft. They actually had no Idea of the power they held in their hands.... So, I ran thru some basic firearm rules with them, and then I took them to Wally world, we got some thick cover-alls and some paintball masks, emposed a 6 foot no-fire zone. They had a blast, and then they got me into the war and I went and bought me one and we have been playing everyday. But they do understand that when the masks and cover-alls come off it is NO combat fire time, ( unless they want to plink cans on the hill ). I emposed my own rule of ( If you shoot someone that is not prepared with the clothing we designated, I will run over your airsoft gun with my truck and that is that. ) Also, They are not allowed to take them away from here ( farm ) without an RESPONSIBLE adult.

 

[Richardson]

I emposed my own rule of ( If you shoot someone that is not prepared with the clothing we designated, I will run over your airsoft gun with my truck and that is that. )

Reinforcing with a permanent consequence.... I bet they got the point.

 

[Richardson]

We went to my Brother InLaws for Christmas and his 8 year old boy shot me about 6 times in the stomach (it was an auto). TICKED ME OFF I took it from the little puke and unloaded on him. He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the ???? thing. (I probably should have just taken it away and givin it to his mom and dad and let them punish the puke) Any way I know I did not handle the situation well but here is my question.
...
In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

I don't think you handled the situtation as badly as I might have. I'd have probably handed the kid several pieces of what use to be an airsoft gun. If he learned the lesson then I don't think any harm has been done.

I agree that starting out with a BB gun & teaching all the gun rules to be the superior way to introduce a child to any type of gun.

 

[hso]

Airsoft guns are not nerf toys.

If used to shoot at other people without goggles they are truely dangerous. I've used simunition in training as well as airsoft and consider the airsoft to be only a notch less hazardous.

I can't condone your "teaching" the kid a lesson while you were angry, and I don't think you do either, but it's important that everyone at that house understand how dangerous they are. It's also important that they understand what a lawyer and a court will do to them if someone gets hit that isn't a member of the family. If these idiots own anything it will be gone, trailer, truck and bassboat!

 

[grnzbra]

Airsoft shouldn't be given to kids unless it is to be used under supervision for training purposes. If people are into Airsoft battles (I don't know what the proper name for it is, but it is an organized activity) they are serious sporting goods, like paintball.

However, since they are available as virtually exact replicas of real guns (what the airsofters call "real steel") they make marvelous trainining equipment for us. I have to drive 45 minutes to get to my club to shoot, but I only need to step into my garage to practice. Yes I could do the same thing dry firing my 1911, but this is more interresting. Just be sure to wear eye protection; those plastic BBs tend to bounce all around a room if you miss the target and hit the wall.

Finally, the ultimate use for them is in force on force training. For this you want a paintball mask (airsoft masks seem to be a little on the minimalist side and leave the side of your head unprotected. They, pretty much, only protect the eyes). Also, in FOF, you want it to hurt. You want to have the instant feedback of being hit, hurt and, if you are playing the goodguy, fighting back through the pain. It doesn't hurt that much that there is any difficulty continuing on; it's psychological training to reduce the tendency to say, "So, ????" and give up. Gabe Suarez book on Interactive Gunfighting explains the mechanism in great detail. It's a marvelous how to book for a group of training partners who want to do some FOF training.

Children should always be assumed to be irresponsible until proven otherwise. (But, hey, I just spent Christmas Day with my inlaws' kids, so my perception may be just a little slanted at the moment)

 

[W Turner]

Yep, they do hurt. I pulled a bonehead stunt at a local sporting goods store. I was looking at an Airsoft pistol there and they had a cardboard backstop set-up for you to shoot at. I put a few shots into the cardboard, but still couldn't get a good read on how powerful they were (looking to buy it for a younger cousin). I then used my wonderful, supreme intelligence to cook up the idea of holding the palm of my hand about 6" away from the muzzle and pulling the trigger to see how strong the air pressure was when it came out. Wanting to be safe, I racked the slide, dropped the mag............




anyone see the problem here?







........held my palm about 6" away from the muzzle, and pulled the trigger. Let's just say the clerk about crapped his pants trying to keep from laughing. Left a dime-sized bruise for a few days and smarted a little for the next two hours.



W

 

[KriegHund]

Shooting random people w/o their consent= bad
Shooting people (with airsoft and paintball guns) with their consent= good
me and my friend do it occasionally with mini full auto's.

As with anything else, responsibility is the key. We could ban all toy guns becuase a few are used badly, but that would be the same as banning real guns because a few criminals used them.

Oh yeah, and drop before you rack


*edit* some of you people are very angry...

 

[english kanigit]

*edit* some of you people are very angry...

Understatement of the day... I'm suprised somebody hasn't advocated pulling a ccw on the kid yet.

 

[colt.45]

paintball is a diffrent story

they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal. i play paint and it is fun, if you wear the goggles it doesnt even hurt. and if you think it teaches bad safety, it can but only to small children.

 

[Ares]

Paint balls don't hurt!?! Not if you're wearing 6" of padding they don't but get hit just wearing jeans, they leave a welt and frankly sting like hell, especially in the winter if they've gotten cold...

I still do it though it's a blast but to say they don't hurt... I don't think so. I play airsoft too, they don't hurt nearly as bad, especially at range.

As for kids shooting people with either without their consent, at close range no less, I'd bust the damn thing in half and proceed to read them the riot act.

While the way the OP handled it may not be PC, I bet the child will remember it and not do it again either...

 

[RioShooter]

Lesson Learned....hopefully

He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the damn thing.

I think you communicated your point better than any lecture could. Especially with an 8 y.o.

Good job!

 

[TexasRifleman]

they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal. i play paint and it is fun, if you wear the goggles it doesnt even hurt. and if you think it teaches bad safety, it can but only to small children.

2 of Armotech's newest paintball guns. Nah, don't look anything like real guns at all do they.......

 

[280PLUS]

they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal

I've heard of people polishing down glass marbles untill they fit into their paintball gun. That would make them Darn near lethal. I told the paintball gun salesman I might have to REALLY shoot somebody if they ever pulled that crap on me. He agreed.

Personally, I don't see a problem with blowing your stack at a kid who desperately needs it. It helps to get their attention for one thing and then they won't be thinking you're so much of a pushover afterward either. Sometimes it's just plain good for 'em!

 

[Standing Wolf]

Maybe adult supervision will come back into fashion.

 

[KriegHund]

And maybe some of us can quite going the route of the Anti-Gunners; blaming the tool for the action, not the person using the tool.

"Airsoft guns dont hurt people, people do!"
"Paintball guns dont kill people- i do!" (I laughed very hard when the riflemen from warcraft 3 said that....cept he said guns, not paintballs)

Shooting the kid back prolly wasnt the best idea...i remember when i used to need a revenge for a revenge for a revenge...A punch for a punch, then a punch for that punch...

Plus, you just broke the same rules he did when you shot him back. A spanking wouldve hurt just as much and taight the same lesson.

It should be mentioned that the kid never shoulda shot you in the first place, though!!

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I emposed my own rule of ( If you shoot someone that is not prepared with the clothing we designated, I will run over your airsoft gun with my truck and that is that. ) Also, They are not allowed to take them away from here ( farm ) without an RESPONSIBLE adult.

Good rule.

 

[colt.45]

well ya it hurts

but when your playing and the adrenalyn is rushing you get over it in a few seconds. i play in a t-shirt and blue jeans. armotech is about the only company that makes replica guns, and half of the paintball guys hate those guns unless theyre playing in the woods so dont pull that crap on me. and the whole marble thing, bull crap they are either too big or to small. believe me i have tried to shot various things through my cheap gun the small marbles just plop out and go about 20 yards, and do you realize how much time it would take to polish down a marble. you would be better off with a slingshot.