ALICE training

[DustyGmt]

I am going to be taking this training in the next month or so, was just curious what those of you who have taken this training might have to say about it. What to expect, etc...... I don't know much about it other than I was given the opportunity to sign up for a 4 hour training and know next to nothing about it but since it is offered locally I didn't want to pass up the opportunity. What is the basic run down?

 

[luzyfuerza]

https://www.alicetraining.com/news/what-does-alice-training-stand-for/

THR member @D.B. Cooper has attended.

See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...odel-for-armed-defenders.925925/post-12783574

He could probably answer all your questions.

 

[CapnMac]

I'm glad somebody had an answer, as "ALICE" for me means "All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment," the follow on to the M-56 ILCE load-bearing webbing.
I look forward to the opinions of anyone who did the Navigate 360 training.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I was given the opportunity to sign up for a 4 hour training and know next to nothing about it but since it is offered locally I didn't want to pass up the opportunity. What is the basic run down?

THR member @D.B. Cooper has attended.

See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...odel-for-armed-defenders.925925/post-12783574

He could probably answer all your questions.

Four hour training? That must be the initial, in person training. I did it 7-8 years ago, and I do the online refresher annually. The initial consisted of a presenter going over the stages of ALICE, when and how to employ each stage. That is followed up by practicing barricading a room and then the presenters break in and the students have to use the techniques to repel the intruder.

The annual refresher training is about a half hour, web based review followed by a quiz.

 

[DustyGmt]

Four hour training? That must be the initial, in person training. I did it 7-8 years ago, and I do the online refresher annually. The initial consisted of a presenter going over the stages of ALICE, when and how to employ each stage. That is followed up by practicing barricading a room and then the presenters break in and the students have to use the techniques to repel the intruder.

The annual refresher training is about a half hour, web based review followed by a quiz.

Yeah that's the deal, 4 hours in person instruction. If there is an online portion to it it hasn't come up yet, it's possible it could be an abbreviated version. It's free so I figured why not, local LE chief arranged for it for members of our congregation.
Is there any component of armed defensive tactics? I'm guessing not since they seem to train in mostly non permissive/no carry environments.

 

[jeepnik]

Why is it every time someone mentions this I think of the gay guy, in the park telling Harry Callahan "My name is Alice and I'll take a dare"?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Yeah that's the deal, 4 hours in person instruction. If there is an online portion to it it hasn't come up yet,

The online is the annual refresher certificate part. Takes about 20-30 minutes.

Is there any component of armed defensive tactics?

If, by "armed," you mean throw your Bible and a Starbucks coffee at a guy with an assault rifle while he is shooting at you, then yes, you can be armed to the teeth in an ALICE program.

In all seriousness, actual resistance to an attack-the "C" (combat)-in ALICE is entirely disarmed and it is taught as an absolute last possible course of action to be undertaken only if no other course of action is possible. You will learn how to "bum rush" the attacker with as many people as possible and try to get at least five defenders to make actual physical contact with the attacker-one defender grabbing each of the attacker's limbs and one grabbing the attacker's head, thereby tackling him and pinning him to the ground. They even teach to not pick up the gun no matter what. So, yeah, they're kind of assuming you have far more than five defenders and at least five will make it through the hail of bullets, while everyone else takes one for the team-quite literally. The other aspect of the combat portion is make shift weapons. (furniture, books, whatever is available.)

The majority of the course is about escaping/evading (The "E" in ALICE) whenever possible, and how to use whatever is available, or pre-staging materials, to barricade (the L in ALICE-lockdown) in place. For examply, i now keep the biggest (75 lb tensile strength) zip ties I could buy in my office. They go around the door closer at the top of the door which prevents the door from opening. I purposely staged a book case full of reference books immediately adjacent to my door to block that door. I also learned to mark "sight lines" in my office such that one can readily see "blind spots" where, if the attacker is at a window or door, you know where he can't see, and you're out of the direct line of fire.

Honestly, to people like you and I-in other words, people who live an armed lifestyle, or at least are armed defenders, people who know about situational awareness, the ooda loop, Jeff Cooper's color codes, etc etc...the ALICE course is extremely low level. (In fact, IIRC, they added OODA and the color codes to the refresher last year.)

 

[D.B. Cooper]

PS: I would also add that, if you're getting serious about security at your church, a really awesome course is DARK Angel's TCCC course (Trauma Combat Casualty Care), which is far superior to a "Stop the Bleed" course. You should take that and have a few of their blow out kits staged at your church.

Another good resource is Active Self Protection's (John Corriea) Youtube versions of his Church Security Team courses on the ASP channel. (It might be on ASP Extra.)

And, obviously, I can't recommend enough Gunsite's Pistol 250 and they also have Church Security training as well. (They're expensive but worth every penny and then some. I'm going back again this year.)